Legend vs Realitiy

Why did the chicken cross the road?
To visit the idiot.
Knock knock
"Who's there?"
"The chicken."

This isn't aimed at you, Bowman. Just remembered a chicken joke.
If I had money to burn I would go with you to see what you think you have. But we would need help. It would also give me an excuse to get a Sharps buffalo rifle.
Maybe we could get Azdave and Marius and Oro to go along. And Somehiker. It would be quite a lark. Unless we all got swallowed up by spirit guardians. How do protect against that sort of thing?
I have been thinking. Would there actually be a convent there. Did the padres establish those or stick to basic churches to have mass and such.
I wonder...well, I know historians are being corrupted by pc garbage. That affects the truth.
 

Why did the chicken cross the road?
To visit the idiot.
Knock knock
"Who's there?"
"The chicken."

This isn't aimed at you, Bowman. Just remembered a chicken joke.
If I had money to burn I would go with you to see what you think you have. But we would need help. It would also give me an excuse to get a Sharps buffalo rifle.
Maybe we could get Azdave and Marius and Oro to go along. And Somehiker. It would be quite a lark. Unless we all got swallowed up by spirit guardians. How do protect against that sort of thing?
I have been thinking. Would there actually be a convent there. Did the padres establish those or stick to basic churches to have mass and such.
I wonder...well, I know historians are being corrupted by pc garbage. That affects the truth.
" you " marry his ugly Daughter ...lol
 

Why did the chicken cross the road?
To visit the idiot.
Knock knock
"Who's there?"
"The chicken."

This isn't aimed at you, Bowman. Just remembered a chicken joke.
If I had money to burn I would go with you to see what you think you have. But we would need help. It would also give me an excuse to get a Sharps buffalo rifle.
Maybe we could get Azdave and Marius and Oro to go along. And Somehiker. It would be quite a lark. Unless we all got swallowed up by spirit guardians. How do protect against that sort of thing?
I have been thinking. Would there actually be a convent there. Did the padres establish those or stick to basic churches to have mass and such.
I wonder...well, I know historians are being corrupted by pc garbage. That affects the truth.

Sorry but I have to turn down this idea, as I have only limited amounts of time to be in the southwest and have other er, um "projects" that I am fully committed to. Plus it is usually a good idea to know your partners pretty well before heading into any tall tules, and while BB and I have been friends for years and know Marius online, we don't know that we would all get along well on the trail. And suppose you make a fantastic find? Would we fall into quarreling?

Blindbowman I thought you told me that your wife was a Blackfoot Indian. I remember asking if she were Blackfoot Sioux (Sihasapa) or Blackfoot (Siksika)? Don't tell me you have been married more than once! That would shatter my confidence in your abilities as a Seer, since you could not foresee the marriage wouldn't work! :tongue3: :laughing7: :occasion14:

I am kidding buddy but curious about this Amazon wife? Do you know which tribe she belongs to? Thanks in advance.

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Sorry but I have to turn down this idea, as I have only limited amounts of time to be in the southwest and have other er, um "projects" that I am fully committed to. Plus it is usually a good idea to know your partners pretty well before heading into any tall tules, and while BB and I have been friends for years and know Marius online, we don't know that we would all get along well on the trail. And suppose you make a fantastic find? Would we fall into quarreling?

Blindbowman I thought you told me that your wife was a Blackfoot Indian. I remember asking if she were Blackfoot Sioux (Sihasapa) or Blackfoot (Siksika)? Don't tell me you have been married more than once! That would shatter my confidence in your abilities as a Seer, since you could not foresee the marriage wouldn't work! :tongue3: :laughing7: :occasion14:

I am kidding buddy but curious about this Amazon wife? Do you know which tribe she belongs to? Thanks in advance.

:coffee2: :coffee: :coffee2: :coffee2:

Maybe being a seer doesn't work very well with the whole marriage issue?
You are right about knowing people and their goals.
Guess it is best to take a dog, and a horse. Very trustworthy.
It's good to know you are planning something.
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Maybe being a seer doesn't work very well with the whole marriage issue?
You are right about knowing people and their goals.
Guess it is best to take a dog, and a horse. Very trustworthy.
It's good to know you are planning something.
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I divorced my x wife of 25 years in 2004-2007 yes her great grand mothers maiden name was Weaver ,yes related to that Weaver .
 

some of the tribes elders did not like her 3/4 black foot & white past and broke the family up and sent her to northern Colorado ,and then to wym .
 

Sorry but I have to turn down this idea, as I have only limited amounts of time to be in the southwest and have other er, um "projects" that I am fully committed to. Plus it is usually a good idea to know your partners pretty well before heading into any tall tules, and while BB and I have been friends for years and know Marius online, we don't know that we would all get along well on the trail. And suppose you make a fantastic find? Would we fall into quarreling?

Blindbowman I thought you told me that your wife was a Blackfoot Indian. I remember asking if she were Blackfoot Sioux (Sihasapa) or Blackfoot (Siksika)? Don't tell me you have been married more than once! That would shatter my confidence in your abilities as a Seer, since you could not foresee the marriage wouldn't work! :tongue3: :laughing7: :occasion14:

I am kidding buddy but curious about this Amazon wife? Do you know which tribe she belongs to? Thanks in advance.

:coffee2: :coffee: :coffee2: :coffee2:
the marriage was fine I have 3 kids I raise from babies to good Adults..
 

the marriage was fine I have 3 kids I raise from babies to good Adults..

That isn't easy. Any of them interested in your lines of work? Never married, no kids. Any woman who would marry me is locked up in a mental institution :)
 

That isn't easy. Any of them interested in your lines of work? Never married, no kids. Any woman who would marry me is locked up in a mental institution :)
no , one is doctor and one is bus driver and the other is my step son and dose yard work & tree cutter ...none of them care what I do and that's the way I want it .. if things go wrong .. I put it on the line I go where I feel I should no matter what ...my father was correct . if you know the area as well as the person that put it there you will find it ...if you can get to it the next thing ...
 

no , one is doctor and one is bus driver and the other is my step son and dose yard work & tree cutter ...none of them care what I do and that's the way I want it .. if things go wrong .. I put it on the line I go where I feel I should no matter what ...my father was correct . if you know the area as well as the person that put it there you will find it ...if you can get to it the next thing ...

I was thinking about the Cibola\Ciuola thing, and found this:
GIROLAMO RUSCELLI
NUEVA HISPANIA TABULA NOVA, 1561

"Thirteen years after Gastaldi published the map above, Ruscelli enlarged upon the previous edition, adding important innovations. The map of New Spain was significantly improved, correctly showing Yucatan as a peninsula, not an island. The place names along the upper GulfCoast revealed the explorations of Piñeda, Cabeza de Vaca and Moscoso. The Mississippi is carefully depicted as the “Rio de Spirito Santo” and the mythical City of Gold, Cibola (“Ciuola”), is shown. This is the first map to show Yucatan as a peninsula."
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Engraving; Dimensions: 22½ x 30.9 cm (9 x 12 in)
Published in Claudius Ptolemy, La Geographia… (Venice, 1561)

Ruscelli was an Italian cartographer.
This earlier fellow.


GIACOMO GASTALDI
NUEVA HISPANIA TABULA NOVA, 1548

"Gastaldi was a Piedmontese cartographer-publisher who was appointed cosmographer to the Republic of Venice. He published many maps including the important ameded edition of Ptolemy from which this map is taken. He was perhaps the best Italian cartographer of the sixteenth century. He was the first to posit the Bering Straits (Straits of Anian) in 1562. In this work, closely following Münster, he abandoned the woodcut and started to engrave on copper, producing the first set of engraved Ptolemy maps since 1508. After 1548, no edition of the Geographia was printed by woodblock, and the transition to engraving was complete. This edition was the most important Italian atlas of the century, and this is the first separate map of the Gulf Coast, Mexico and the present-day southwestern United States ever published."
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"Engraving; Dimensions: 16½ x 20.3 cm (6 ½ x 8 in)
Published in La Geographia, from Claudius Ptolemy: Nicolo Bascarini (Venice, 1548)
Two volumes in one; 60 maps; small octavo bound in full vellum."

It appears these Italian cartographers used Cibola and Ciuola for the same place.

16th Century - Weems Collections
 

I wonder what contemporary Apaches who keep track of the old times have to say about the Superstition stories.
 

I wonder what contemporary Apaches who keep track of the old times have to say about the Superstition stories.
they wont talk about it most of the time ...and most likely you will not get a straight answer. . if you do it will be taking you away from what your looking for .I am sorry I don't blame them ,its like Bethlehem to them .. as I pointed out in the chichimeca codex one of their God was born there and Montezuma and other legends rest there ,this is not a place for greed or collectors ,don't poke a hornets nets unless your ready to run ....
 

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