Natural formations or artifacts?

[Scoob]

My dog was digging around a creek bed, playing in the water and she dug these up...any ideas? The two circular stone pictures are the same stone. I had to include the pup. She likes the exposure anyway

 

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[quito]

Regarding the rocks, I am going to say natural, none are man made. Cool, but natural.

The last one however while not manmade, has had mans hand involved.

 

[rock]

Welcome to the site. Nice looking dog.

 

[bci101tractors]

Love your pup...
I agree that they are natural, thanks for posting and good luck!!

 

[bci101tractors]

Tearsofthemoon seems wise, I hope she is right and more chime in...BCI

 

[Tnmountains]

hi
welcome to tnet
I belive the first picture to be a very rare drilling platform.
very rarely found, its what you sit the bannerstone on to drill out the hole. or other items.
lets see what the other say
but I think you got a very fine keeper there.

What area? I know that here they would drill with sand and river cane. It is like a bamboo and they would fill the reed with sand or add sand and drill away. Long process and this is what drilling marks looked like on an unfinished item. Do they look similar to yours?

 

[GatorBoy]

I see the raised nipple in the center of one of the circles on your piece..like TN. mentioned that looks like what you get when drilling with cane and sand.
I was tossing around the Idea that since yours has more than one mark at different depths that it may have been used to apply pressure from above when drilling other items.
The other piece looks alot like a spindle whorl.. if so you "may" have parts to a spindle set.
If that is the case..then like what happens in fire starting when one hole gets too deep it begins to bind..so another is started.

 

[GatorBoy]

Here is a basic pump drill with a stone spindle whorl.

 

[Scoob]

I appreciate the responses, everyone. These pieces were found around Ft. Sumner, NM. As far as the pieces go... It makes sense with the pieces as a whole. I also was reading on a few websites that the circular stone matched the description and size of stones used to weight down nets for fishing. I do not know specific tools quite yet for Native Americans. I'm a 31 year old child still and I was always a WWII history loving guy. As the saying goes....A Jack-of-all-trades, master of none. Being stationed in the desert near Ft. Sumner made me take a serious look a bit further back in history. The whole Billy the Kid shenanigans here, Native American tragedy, old west travels, ETC....I've dug quite a bit deeper in the goings on here.

 

[larson1951]

hey hey scooby
welcome
i am gonna have to give this baby a bump for you my friend

i think it is worth looking at a bit more.....and also i like your doggy.....she looks like she is ready to go have some more fun with you

thanks for your post

steve

 

[quito]

hi
welcome to tnet
I belive the first picture to be a very rare drilling platform.
very rarely found, its what you sit the bannerstone on to drill out the hole. or other items.
lets see what the other say
but I think you got a very fine keeper there.

There are to many different hole sizes, they don't even resemble the unfinished bannerstone example, the holes are concave not straight sided, and why would they have one big one way off to the one side. I see similar stuff on occasion, examine them and except for one or two in my rock garden now, i leave them lay.

Not trying to burst anyone's bubble, just calling what I see.

 

[GatorBoy]

Don't feel too bad nobody even acknowledged what I said.
Here are a few spindle whorl artifacts for comparison.

 

[quito]

No can of worms has been opened tears of the moon. And I don't know why you think there has been. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one, they are usually different, and each is entitled to their own. I have seen enough similar rocks to know they are not so uncommon, and usually not artifacts.

Here's an example. As much as I wanted this to be one when I picked it up, it is not an artifact. See the similarities though? Even has the raised bumps in the center of a couple.

 

[quito]

Does the hole show any polish or use wear Scoob?

 

[GatorBoy]

It will also matter if it is sandstone or not..since any Polish is usually gone if so.
If its beveled from both sides is a big clue.
Its very unlikely that a natural occurrence is going to come from both sides centered on eachother.

 

[quito]

Is the hole symmetric scoob? Whorls I have seen are pretty darn round.

 

[Scoob]

The whorl looks pretty much spot on with the circular stone. The entry holes from both sides are very similar. The funny thing is, dead center in the stone there is a ledge on both sides. Indicating to me, perhaps, the stone was flipped over and drilled through both sides as opposed to just trying to bore through one side. Sorry about that gator. Awesome attachments. They helped.

In terms on the flat stone, the side without the "crop circle" markings is a lot more smooth. The circles themselves are pretty uniform as far as round is concerned. Even the smaller circles have nipples in them. The oblong appearance of the circle near the notch in the rock seemed to be uniform at one time. It now has a half circular groove in the side. Which so happens to be the smoothest part of the stone.
Quito, with that stone, although very cool looking, there is obvious evidence of water erosion. Pooling is evident. As far as wear, the circular stone does seem to have somewhat uniform wear on the majority of the inside portion.
Tears, you're part of the solution. Every opinion and aspect is helpful here!

 

[quito]

Now those are much better pictures!

So, does this "ledge" make it appear the drilling stopped a bit short from both directions? No comment on my piece with the circles with the nipples in the center?

Joel

 

[Scoob]

I see that your stone does appear to be somewhat the same. The one one the right hand side especially. But with the the "cups" on the stone there are water lines visible

 

[quito]

regarding the other doughnut looking piece

again,,,,,,,,,,,,,does this "ledge" make it appear the drilling stopped a bit short from both directions? Yes, no, or maybe?

"I see that your stone does appear to be somewhat the same. "

I submit the same process made the similar markings in both stones, and it wasn't starting fires or drilling holes.