need button help help me guys

[jrwill56]

went out at lunch again today,only 75 yds from my old site.found old coin very worn but looks like another king george 111 1/2 penny,also found this button,can make out anchor and cross cannons, and 4 th regiment.anyone know?

 

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[johnnyi]

Re: need button help

Just guessing Will, 4th regiment Naval Ordance, Rev War period British Navy?

 

[CRUSADER]

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Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

 

[jrwill56]

Re: need button help

Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

brass with 4 raised spikes on back

 

[johnnyi]

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sounds like a birdcage. I change my guess to French

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: need button help

Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

brass with 4 raised spikes on back

French type, cross loop (forgot the name), they are not spikes, but made a cross shape

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: need button help

sounds like a birdcage. I change my guess to French

Beat me too it - birdcage was the word I was struggling with

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: need button help

Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

brass with 4 raised spikes on back

French type, cross loop (forgot the name), they are not spikes, but made a cross shape

Like this a bit it's a French Button :P

SS.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: need button help

L'artillerie de marine

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: need button help

Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

brass with 4 raised spikes on back

French type, cross loop (forgot the name), they are not spikes, but made a cross shape

Like this a bit it's a French Button :P

SS.

We all agree French then

 

[Silver Searcher]

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L'artillerie de marine

Les Equipages de Haut Bord (Sailors of the High Shore)

SS.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: need button help

L'artillerie de marine

Les Equipages de Haut Bord (Sailors of the High Shore)

SS.

No I'm stumped.

4e Régiment Etranger (4th Foreign Regiment) - but this is Army (Foriegn Legion).

I can't figure out a 4th Regiment which was Navy

 

[johnnyi]

Re: need button help

Most likely 4th regiment naval artilery war of 1812

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...artillerie+de+marine&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: need button help

Most likely 4th regiment naval artilery war of 1812

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...artillerie+de+marine&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Looks most likely.

Green Check it

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: need button help

L'artillerie de marine

Les Equipages de Haut Bord (Sailors of the High Shore)

SS.

No I'm stumped.

4e Régiment Etranger (4th Foreign Regiment) - but this is Army (Foriegn Legion).

I can't figure out a 4th Regiment which was Navy

Another French Navy Button I think we can establish the French connection it's just the finding right one

SS.

 

[jrwill56]

Re: need button help

Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

brass with 4 raised spikes on back

here is a better pic of back (better pics)

 

[Iron Patch]

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sounds like a birdcage. I change my guess to French

Beat me too it - birdcage was the word I was struggling with

Well don't struggle my friends, the word is "turret" shank. (Obviously broken on this one)

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: need button help

Most likely 4th regiment naval artilery war of 1812

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...artillerie+de+marine&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

You mean 4th Marine Artillery. (and I don't think War of 1812, but that period for sure) My digging bud has a similar type button, very odd find in North America.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: need button help

sounds like a birdcage. I change my guess to French

Beat me too it - birdcage was the word I was struggling with

Well don't struggle my friends, the word is "turret" shank. (Obviously broken on this one)

I'll still forget it

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: need button help

Iron patch, no, it's not a turret shank which is distinctly different, as it is a post drilled in both directions. this is a Birdcage shank which is cast.

Regarding "marine", that's a good question. It seems from what I've read that this particular 4th was part of the naval artillery, but maybe that needs to be cleared up. Of course "marine" is derived from the French word anyway so it's a little confusing.

I see what you're saying and was looking at the first pic.

I think we are on the same page because this is what I call a birdcage shank. The turret type don't seem to be near as high off the back.