need button help help me guys

[jrwill56]

went out at lunch again today,only 75 yds from my old site.found old coin very worn but looks like another king george 111 1/2 penny,also found this button,can make out anchor and cross cannons, and 4 th regiment.anyone know?

 

[johnnyi]

Re: need button help

Ironpatch, Ha, I just now looked at the pictures for the first time also. It does appear to be a turret shank in this case, as there are signs of it being drilled both ways. Curious though, as the French buttons are described as birdcage shanks.

 

[Iron Patch]

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Ironpatch, Ha, I just now looked at the pictures for the first time also. It does appear to be a turret shank in this case, as there are signs of it being drilled both ways. Curious though, as the French buttons are described as birdcage shanks.

Usually the flat earlier buttons are Turret. Like I said regardless of the back it is a strange find in the US.

 

[johnnyi]

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Well, we did have the French in Louisiana during the 1803 purchase, and that state bornders Texas. It is a long way from home as you say.

 

[jrwill56]

Re: need button help

Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

brass with 4 raised spikes on back

here is a better pic of back (better pics)

also found nearby 1 1/4 " grapeshot cannonball

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: need button help

Well, we did have the French in Louisiana during the 1803 purchase, and that state bornders Texas. It is a long way from home as you say.

Good point. I have many French sites but they all date before marked buttons. This is what I find.

French Marines.

 

[johnnyi]

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Ironpatch, I think you're right about them being technically Marines. From what I've read, the French Marines were founded in the early 1600's, but were part of the Navy until 1900.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: need button help

Ironpatch, I think you're right about them being technically Marines. From what I've read, the French Marines were founded in the early 1600's, but were part of the Navy until 1900.

All I'm going by is the term Marine Artillery being associated with such buttons. I've never heard of Naval Artillery marked buttons but it very well could be possible.

 

[RPG]

Re: need button help

Very cool button.

Details?

I assume pewter? & 1 piece? Cast? Loop type?

brass with 4 raised spikes on back

here is a better pic of back (better pics)

also found nearby 1 1/4 " grapeshot cannonball

Can we see a pic of that?

 

[Woodland Detectors]

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Very Nice. I have to ask. What kind of work are you doing and why don't you go detect that place on the weekends when you are not working or days off? Just currious. With the things you have found in the past there I'd have to be pounding that spot...Chowan county that's North Carolina

 

[Silver Searcher]

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Ironpatch, I think you're right about them being technically Marines. From what I've read, the French Marines were founded in the early 1600's, but were part of the Navy until 1900.

Found this...hope it can help Troupes de marine,(French Army with naval heritage)

SS.

 

[Iron Patch]

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Ironpatch, I think you're right about them being technically Marines. From what I've read, the French Marines were founded in the early 1600's, but were part of the Navy until 1900.

Found this...hope it can help Troupes de marine,(French Army with naval heritage)

SS.

If you look above I posted Troupes de marine buttons. (The plain face ones)

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: need button help

Ironpatch, I think you're right about them being technically Marines. From what I've read, the French Marines were founded in the early 1600's, but were part of the Navy until 1900.

Found this...hope it can help Troupes de marine,(French Army with naval heritage)

SS.

If you look above I posted Troupes de marine buttons. (The plain face ones)

Yes you did....but now we have there symbol, which is similar to the button posted(minus cannons).

SS.

 

[jrwill56]

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Very Nice. I have to ask. What kind of work are you doing and why don't you go detect that place on the weekends when you are not working or days off? Just currious. With the things you have found in the past there I'd have to be pounding that spot...Chowan county that's North Carolina

I have been hunting on some weekends, the 1700s site is now fenced off for later research by the college,these last items are from a field about 100 yds away,I run a 600 acre waste water treatment spray irrigation plantation for the city. here are some of my finds,the others are at the college,will return next month for a display at the libary.

 

[jrwill56]

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OK guys do we have a ID?

 

[jrwill56]

Re: need button help

OK guys do we have a ID?

the people at the university say my button is not french,it proberly civil war
but the can't locate the orgin.

 

[johnnyi]

jrwill, I'm trying to do a little more research on the French Marine buttons. The bet way (unfortunately for me) is to do it in French. The record states that therre is a large variety of known buttons from this early period, many of which had the regimental number on their face. This marine artillery button would not have been common to begin with, and may for all we know, be unrecorded. The turret shank is an old style of shank, and I think the people at the university were wrong to suggest "civil war" period. At any rate, I'm getting a little closer when it comes to identifying the style as French. Here is one scan for example http://images.google.com/imgres?img...prev=/images?q=bouton++marine&hl=en&sa=G&um=1

 

[Don in SJ]

Just to add my two cents worth, I just started looking to help also, so far, here is something to add, it most likely no earlier than 1803?

By the decree of the 26 October 1795 seven demi-brigades d'Artillerie de Marine consisting of twenty one batallions were created. In 1803 these twenty one batallions were cut down to twelve batallions and formed into four Regiments.



4e Regiment d'Artillerie de Marine
Regimental History

1803: Created 4e Regiment d'Artillerie de Marine

Don

 

[CRUSADER]

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OK guys do we have a ID?

the people at the university say my button is not french,it proberly civil war
but the can't locate the orgin.

seriously, what type of Uni?

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: need button help

OK guys do we have a ID?

the people at the university say my button is not french,it proberly civil war
but the can't locate the orgin.

seriously, what type of Uni?

Uni-versity, one person who hasn't a clue what he is talking about.

 

[jrwill56]

Re: need button help

OK guys do we have a ID?

the people at the university say my button is not french,it proberly civil war
but the can't locate the orgin.

seriously, what type of Uni?

East Carolina u. ,archeology dept.