Need help identifying artillery round of some sort.

[searcherman]

The object in diameter little bigger than a quarter.It looks like the tip if lead. It is about 2" inches tall. Thanks!

 

[taz42o]

Looks like a carbide tipped trencher tooth.

 

[Breezie]

Looks like a carbide tipped trencher tooth.

That's it; good id Taz. Breezie

 

[Kieth-Tx]

Wow....Good one Taz!

 

[searcherman]

Found all this in the same area.The bullets I have posted earlyer.The tip on the big ? Is lead I don't know how it could be a trencher tool with the soft lead tip with all the limestone in the area that I was searching.Also I found This stuff A couple of yards from A railroad track in A area were the C.S.A. was firing at A Train.I'm new to civil war projectiles so I really don't Know.Thanks for helping!

 

[taz42o]

If its lead then its not a trecher tooth.
It does not look like lead in the pic, it looks black.

 

[searcherman]

I took some more new pictures the sun was out.I hope this helps identify this object .Thanks

 

[72cheyenne]

Can you scratch the metal on the tip? I believe it is tungsten carbide and not lead. It doesn't look lead.

 

[searcherman]

It wont explode will it if I scratch it

 

[vayank54]

Like others have said it's to small to be a shell. And it looks like a trencher tooth to me. I've changed a ton of those things over the years.

 

[searcherman]

This is a Quot from another forum www.Thefiringline.com I posted the same picture and this is the response from "Mike Irwin " and the picture he sent.
That's not ammo.
It's part of a relatively small-caliber artillery shell.
Judging from the size, I'd say maybe 37mm.
It appears that those are solid shot, possibly inert training rounds.
The shells designed to be used against light targets and infantry had nose mount fuses in assemblies like these. Armor piercing had base mounted fuses.
Edit:
Ah, finally found a picture of one.
This is more or less what you have. This one is a time fuse, so it's different from yours, but the concept is the same. This was screwed into the nose of the shell.

 

[vayank54]

If you look at the projectile nose it has seams and looks to be in several sections, is smooth down the sides and is threaded at the bottom. Your item is only 2 pieces the main piece and tip, has several angles down the side ( like a trencher tooth) and no threads at the bottom. I'm sorry but I really think what you have is a broken trencher tooth.

 

[searcherman]

The first pictures I posted are two objects not one that I fount a few yards apart the bottoms are smooth and flat.If they are trencher tool tips that broke off then why are they smooth?Also could this be A rare or experimental projectile?
I'm not trying to disagree with anybody I just wont to see all the possibility's.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

One thing most projectiles have (unless round) is a section of cylindrical proportions so it will stabilize. A cone shape will wobble inless spun well, and with no portion to pick up the rifling . . . poor areodynamic results.

Can you mark on paper with the tip? Lead will rub off easily. Carbide, stainless or high-carbon steel will not.

PS - on the outside chance it's not a trencher tooth I checked the Hotchkiss 1.65" (42mm) and early Rupp mountain-guns and none used a projectile tip resembling that shape. And they were 1880's and later, beside. Though, the 42mm was a fused tip (and shells as small as 20mm use a fused tip).

Here's the 1.65" shrapnel round as used by our troops on the disarmed Natives at Wounded Knee.

 

[vayank54]

I've used to run trenchers and have changed tons of the teeth. They will break off flush where the go into the wheel. Also the older one have the exact angles down the sides as yours. If you look at the last picture you took of them in the sun you can see where the tip is worn down from digging in the rock. I'm 100% sure what you have are not projectile noses and am not trying to be a butt head about it but I am sure they are trencher teeth.

 

[searcherman]

The tip will not mark on paper.So I guess it's a trencher tool.I was just hopping that it was a projectile of some sort. Found in a skirmish area made me think it was a shell tip of some kind.Thanks for helping!

 

[vayank54]

Glad to help. Sorry we couldn't give you better news.