Need Some Information Please

[DAllen]

The attached photo is from a collection I was willed. Bannerstone / Miss. River / Ohio. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

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[Bucket Lister]

I would think it is similar to how the grain weight works for bullets. The heavier it is the harder it hits. Maybe that makes sense.

Or like the metal clip on the nose of a balsa wood glider; changing its orientation can significantly change flight characteristics.

Position of the bannerstone on a spear shaft (front, middle, rear) could modify the spear's flight characteristics.

This is all just SWAG, of course. 🤪

Kinda reminds me of those Roman dodecahedrons found all over Europe; common enough, but nobody really knows for sure what they're for... 🤓

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

My gut feeling looking closer at it is that it is a reproduction.

This wing butterfly banner is a style I have not seen in the past.

You only show the one side and the hole angle. Please show the other side.

These lines indicate a sander, possibly a belt sander.
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Yep, those lines would not be there if it was genuine artifact and the hole does not like right either. 99.9% chance it is reproduction.

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[CreekSide]

I've found half of a winged style in GA. But I've found 2 different sized pick styles in Arkansas. They are grooved around the outer edge.

Pictures or it didn’t happen

 

[Digginitdaily]

Pictures or it didn’t happen

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Picture of rocks?

 

[Digginitdaily]

Picture of rocks?

There's a few rocks in there ... yeh . But I had used the banner stones to mark that shell so I could go get my phone.

 

[GDub62]

Pictures or it didn’t happen

Haha. The fish that got away

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

There's a few rocks in there ... yeh . But I had used the banner stones to mark that shell so I could go get my phone.

Sorry, not seeing it, going to have to draw arrow point to banners stone.

 

[Digginitdaily]

Icircled them in blue. They're a style referred to as the pick style. Usually they are found with holes through the center. The earlier made one (like these) don't have holes, they have a groove across the outside. I left them at my parents with other shell items I found that day.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You are calling them bannerstones? Where are the holes, never seen any completed bannerstone with out a hole and there are no grooves visible in pictures,

 

[Digginitdaily]

You are calling them bannerstones? Where are the holes, never seen any completed bannerstone with out a hole and there are no grooves visible in pictures

I am in fact calling them bannerstones. I found them in Arkansas. It wasn't until recently that I figured out what they were myself. I'm not sure of the material they're made from. I've never seen it here in the south. To be honest I think they're on the rarer side because they don't have the holes and are primarily from a specific area. I hit a gravel/sandbar on the creek there in Arkansas and found these, a shark tooth, Puck style game stone, shell pendant and 3 unordinary shells one being a cup, one center holed gorget with animal on it and the other not sure. Oh and the bottom of a clay pot.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I am in fact calling them bannerstones. I found them in Arkansas. It wasn't until recently that I figured out what they were myself. I'm not sure of the material they're made from. I've never seen it here in the south. To be honest I think they're on the rarer side because they don't have the holes and are primarily from a specific area. I hit a gravel/sandbar on the creek there in Arkansas and found these, a shark tooth, Puck style game stone, shell pendant and 3 unordinary shells one being a cup, one center holed gorget with animal on it and the other not sure. Oh and the bottom of a clay pot.

Take them to an artifact show and see what they say.

 

[Digginitdaily]

Take them to an artifact show and see what they say.

I missed the one last month. I was really looking forward to it

 

[dognose]

they look like antler to me.

Most pick bannerstones are made of anything from slate. Other material may be Chlorite, Quartz, but most are slate.

the next arkansas show is April 12-14 at Northwest Holiday Inn Convention Center, Springdale, Fri 10:00 am Sat/Sun 8:00 am

I agree with Treasure_Hunter that taking them to the show if possible would be useful information.

 

[dognose]

When you visit the relic show, if you're not a Central States Archaeological Societies member, consider joining the society.

 

[Buckleberry]

The drilled holes look circumspect as well, too perfect, no beveling near the edges.