Old wax seal found (update)

[ppratt]

I found this some time ago, but I've been posting in the MY BEST FINDS forum, but I'm going a different rout this time. Anyway I found this seal, it's made of bronze I think. It has great detail. I'm not sure if you can tell from the pics but its a face of a lion and in its mouth is a guy on a horse holding a sword. The nose is a crown, and has a bird on top of the crown and has a S and a E for eyes. I submitted this a while back to Eastern Weatern Treasure before they were online. They didn't have any answers for me. Let me know what you think.

 

[Iron Patch]

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So it's worth more than a dollar? And its older than mid 1800? So how can I find out more?

I would hang on to this if I were you, it just might be a little special

SS

Like everything I have found in the past 23 years. Nothing has been sold I keep everything.

Just make sure you invite me to the sale when it does happen.

 

[johnnyi]

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"Like everything I have found in the past 23 years. Nothing has been sold I keep everything."

Great find Prat. If you ever do sell this thing, do the leg work first to find out exactly who it belonged to. I guarantee IP would spend the whole winter researching this thing and you'd be weeping like a baby when he told you it belonged to someone famous. (which if it did, he'd be sure to do! )

 

[Iron Patch]

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"Like everything I have found in the past 23 years. Nothing has been sold I keep everything."

Great find Prat. If you ever do sell this thing, do the leg work first to find out exactly who it belonged to. I guarantee IP would spend the whole winter researching this thing and you'd be weeping like a baby when he told you it belonged to someone famous. (which if it did, he'd be sure to do! )

Trust me, I've learned a couple lessons early on and I won't tell you I'm glad they happened, but I did learn from them!

 

[ppratt]

Re: Old wax seal found

So it's worth more than a dollar? And its older than mid 1800? So how can I find out more?

I would hang on to this if I were you, it just might be a little special

SS

Like everything I have found in the past 23 years. Nothing has been sold I keep everything.

23years...you must be holding out on us I bet you have a load of nice finds to show us

SS

Checkout my best finds forum. Ive been posting some past finds on there. Everything from large cent, Colonial and gold coins.

 

[shaun7]

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Beautiful seal, I look forward to reading the info on it

 

[Swingit]

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Wow Thats A Great Find
HH!!

 

[Ziggy-Grimm]

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I bet it belonged to a drunk bar patron loser that lived in Brownsville

j/k who knows ...neat find, Preston.

 

[JerV3]

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That's a nice find

Southwest pa has enough history. I have found alot of treasure in pittsburgh. Really great old place to be.

HH Jer

 

[rjw4law]

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Nice one.

 

[dfx willy]

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im with what cru said! very nice and i keep everything also. willy

 

[ppratt]

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OK I went bacl to the old records of the house and still no mention of anyone with the initials S.E. . If I have to go do research across the pond where is my first stopping grounds (by way of internet).

 

[The Patriot]

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"Like everything I have found in the past 23 years. Nothing has been sold I keep everything."

Great find Prat. If you ever do sell this thing, do the leg work first to find out exactly who it belonged to. I guarantee IP would spend the whole winter researching this thing and you'd be weeping like a baby when he told you it belonged to someone famous. (which if it did, he'd be sure to do! )

Trust me, I've learned a couple lessons early on and I won't tell you I'm glad they happened, but I did learn from them!

Yes I recall you telling the whole story......I'd be kicking myself

 

[ppratt]

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Do you think this is a family crest or just one the soldier made while being bored on day. If this is a official family creast than it should and could be tracked down. YES NO?

 

[ppratt]

I did some research on the symbols of the crest and this is what I found.

Lion (some see some dont) =fierce courage, can be used to represent someone who was a great warrior or a chief
Horse =ready for duty
Crown = royalty
Bird = ? not sure what kind of bird it is what do you guys think?

Also do you think all these symbols would be on one crest? Let me know if you think I am going by this the wrong way.

 

[sniffer]

I don't really see the lion, but I think the bird looks like a stork
it is a fabulous wax seal. maybe part of a traveling writing kit

 

[Iron Patch]

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"Like everything I have found in the past 23 years. Nothing has been sold I keep everything."

Great find Prat. If you ever do sell this thing, do the leg work first to find out exactly who it belonged to. I guarantee IP would spend the whole winter researching this thing and you'd be weeping like a baby when he told you it belonged to someone famous. (which if it did, he'd be sure to do! )

Trust me, I've learned a couple lessons early on and I won't tell you I'm glad they happened, but I did learn from them!

Yes I recall you telling the whole story......I'd be kicking myself

I stopped kicking myself a long time ago because for the right money anything would be gone.... so the fact I might have under-sold something really doesn't matter because money is just money, and either way it would still be gone. Sure there's a few things I would like back but I wouldn't want the bill to show up in the mailbox.

 

[DCMatt]

I did some research on the symbols of the crest and this is what I found.

Lion (some see some dont) =fierce courage, can be used to represent someone who was a great warrior or a chief
Horse =ready for duty
Crown = royalty
Bird = ? not sure what kind of bird it is what do you guys think?

Also do you think all these symbols would be on one crest? Let me know if you think I am going by this the wrong way.

This piece is fantastic. It hardly looks like it was ever in the ground. Outstanding find.

The bird has a branch or twig in it's beak. Possibly a cormorant?

DCMatt

 

[phantomfinder]

WOW , Know thats a very cool find. WTG
I vote banner also ...........

 

[CRUSADER]

I did some research on the symbols of the crest and this is what I found.

Lion (some see some dont) =fierce courage, can be used to represent someone who was a great warrior or a chief
Horse =ready for duty
Crown = royalty
Bird = ? not sure what kind of bird it is what do you guys think?

Also do you think all these symbols would be on one crest? Let me know if you think I am going by this the wrong way.

I'm not trying to kill any hope, but you will be extremely lucky to pin this one down to a family name.

If my assumptions are correct:

ie. This is a 'Desk Seal' type which began in the 1750s. Possibly with a missing wooden handle, but not necessarily.
Its not a Coat of Arms or Heraldic in the sense of it being recorded by the 'heralds' (older Medieval practice). So researching is made harder.
It harps back to & has elements of heraldic symbols but done by an relatively rich person (not that rich or it would be solid silver) to impress & show breeding which may well be fantasy.
The well to do, like a Calvary Officer (plausible option) would have these made up to a design of his likely possibly picking elements of the family coat of arms or even making it up.
SE - Most likely the guys initials but could also be the marriage of two family names.
Your best hope is to find someone passionate about collecting these or dealing these who is willing to share his knowledge of them. Because it could be German (shield with bulbus top reminds me of) or any other European country. Britain is a good bet as well.

 

[Rusted_Iron]

I concur with Crusader; the wax seal looks 18th Century or perhaps the beginning of the 19th. Great find for this area!

Someday you are going to find out who owned or made that seal. I would be really interested to hear the history behind it.