One of my Best Days Ever! 1775 KG & 1780s Vermont Copper

[grasshopper]

One of my Best Days Ever! 1775 KG Evasion Token & 1788 VT Copper

Today I decided to make another trip to the 1780s home where I found the string of 16 buttons from the War of 1812 a couple of years ago. I have hunted here at least 15 times, so needless to say, I wasn't expecting to find much....but I was wrong! I was using the v3i today, most other hunts at this site I used the xlt.

Right off the bat I got the vermont copper at about 3 inches...definitely in an area I've been over before. It is the "Vermon Auctori" variety, so it has to either be 1787 or 1788. Any help narrowing down the ID would be appreciated. I'm afraid to over-clean it.

The other coin is a 1775 KG III copper in fairly decent shape. Funny story on this one - a few years back, I remember finding a similar coin. When I finished up, I realized I had dropped the coin. I have since been convinced that it was lost forever. This one was less than an inch deep , so I'm pretty sure it's the one I lost.

Also got what I think is a pocketwatch winder, and this Interesting little container. It has a hole on top...I'm thinking it might be some kind of sniffing device

I have made a ton of amazing finds at this house:

1753 one reale
1773 Irish halfpenny
another 1700s Irish halfpenny
1798 large cent
1814 Canada bank token
1815 Canada bank token
1822 large cent
1820s "un sou" Canadian token
1843 Canadian coin
1847 large cent
1859 Indian head
1864 Indian head
1875 seated dime
1882 Canadian large cent
1884 v nickel
1891 Canadian silver 5 cent piece
1898 Indian head
no date SLQ
1929 merc
plus lots of relics and some coins I've forgotten...and my 16 war of 1812 buttons!





It pays to go back!!

 

[doc-d]

Congrads.........God bless, ejd

 

[grasshopper]

 

[Erving]

Congrats on a couple of nice old coppers. The Vermont copper appears to be a 1788 in the photo, but I could be wrong.

 

[Don in SJ]

Nice finds, go ahead and clean your Vt, it appears to be the most common variety of the series, a Ryder 16, and yes that is 1788...

Compare with the one on coinfacts, I just quickly looked at where the hand was pointing to the letter D on the reverse side, but almost positive it is the R-16 variety.

1788 Vermont Copper - Ryder 16

 

[hogge]

The KG III looks like it is a "Mule". Can't quite make out ,from the obverse, what it could be yet. Either that, or the planchet was mis-struck, and then used again, but I think not. When IP and Don take a closer look, maybe they might have an idea on ID.

 

[cjon455]

awesome finds!

 

[grasshopper]

The KG III looks like it is a "Mule". Can't quite make out ,from the obverse, what it could be yet. Either that, or the planchet was mis-struck, and then used again, but I think not. When IP and Don take a closer look, maybe they might have an idea on ID.

Thanks for your input. I am also confused because the obverse of the KG does not say "GEORGIVS" , instead there is a word that ends in what looks like GE (you can see the E at about 11 o'clock). Also, after the III, it doesn't say REX - rather, there is a word that seems to say something like "RU?ES". I'm very curious to see what others have to say.

 

[flyinryan2]

Congrats those are some great coppers!!!

 

[grasshopper]

I found out what the KG is...a counterfeit (evasion token).

Obverse says GEORGE III RULES...not GEORGIVS III REX.

Check out this write-up:

http://www.thecoppercorner.com/history/evasions_hist.html

 

[G.A.P.metal]

Outstanding pieces of history,HH

 

[DigitNY]

Today I decided to make another trip to the 1780s home where I found the string of 16 buttons from the War of 1812 a couple of years ago. I have hunted here at least 15 times, so needless to say, I wasn't rssexpecting to find much....but I was wrong! I was using the v3i today, most other hunts at this site I used the xlt.

Right off the bat I got the vermont copper at about 3 inches...definitely in an area I've been over before. It is the "Vermon Auctori" variety, so it has to either be 1787 or 1788. Any help narrowing down the ID would be appreciated. I'm afraid to over-clean it.

The other coin is a 1775 KG III copper in fairly decent shape. Funny story on this one - a few years back, I remember finding a similar coin. When I finished up, I realized I had dropped the coin. I have since been convinced that it was lost forever. This one was less than an inch deep , so I'm pretty sure it's the one I lost.

Also got what I think is a pocketwatch winder, and this Interesting little container. It has a hole on top...I'm thinking it might be some kind of sniffing device

I have made a ton of amazing finds at this house:

1753 one reale
1773 Irish halfpenny
another 1700s Irish halfpenny
1798 large cent
1814 Canada bank token
1815 Canada bank token
1822 large cent
1820s "un sou" Canadian token
1843 Canadian coin
1847 large cent
1859 Indian head
1864 Indian head
1875 seated dime
1882 Canadian large cent
1884 v nickel
1891 Canadian silver 5 cent piece
1898 Indian head
no date SLQ
1929 merc
plus lots of relics and some coins I've forgotten...and my 16 war of 1812 buttons!

It pays to go back!!

Wow !! It's the first national bank.. Great job..awesome finds

 

[JohnnyMac]

Awesome

 

[vpnavy]

Nice finds grasshopper.

 

[Iron Patch]

I found out what the KG is...a counterfeit (evasion token).

Obverse says GEORGE III RULES...not GEORGIVS III REX.

Check out this write-up:

History - Evasion Tokens

You got it. There's MANY of these, but they aren't dug in the U.S. too often.

Evasions - Atkins - Irish Tokens by Barry Woodside

 

[flyinryan2]

I found out what the KG is...a counterfeit (evasion token).

Obverse says GEORGE III RULES...not GEORGIVS III REX.

Check out this write-up:

http://www.thecoppercorner.com/history/evasions_hist.html

Wow that's even cooler. I've never seen one posted that say "rules". Very nice!

 

[flyinryan2]

Very nice article thanks for sharing!!

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Tough state copper to dig . reason why >>> In all there were forty die combinations of Vermont coppers. Unfortunately both the metal available for dies, as well as the copper used by the Rupert mint, were of poor quality. This resulted in planchets of varying diameter, thickness and weight. The planchets also frequently had porous or rough surfaces with fissure cracks or voids. This combination of poor dies and poor material resulted in many weak and unevenly struck coins. On top of this many surviving Vermont coppers are well worn. estimated no more than five thousand Vermont coppers survive. One more , it's great to see the Vt. you dug . Evasion token is an oddball , RULES , not for long now we're still being taxed too death , anyways i like it your in a hot search area , so pound it every chance ya get , grasshopper !

 

[DMB]

Nice going grasshopper!!

 

[grasshopper]

Thanks for the replies everyone!

And thank you Don for the ID on the vermont copper. I cleaned it a little more and can see the date of 1788.