Origin of a certain clue about the LDM

[TheFatDutchman]

I can't find where I heard or read about a certain clue about the LDM.

I remember it was given as a quote from Jacob Waltz, but I am not sure.

"My mine is about 15 feet away from a Mexican mine that goes all the way through to the other side of the hill"

That is all the info I have on it and I probably am misrepresenting it, but it's close to what I heard or read.

Does anyone else know of a similar clue or heard it before? I've searched and the only place that mentions anything close was on Jeff Howlett's Arcana Expedition site #11 clue. "...He also said his shaft and the Mexican’s shaft were very close together, but when you stood at either shaft you cannot see the other shaft"

but that's not where I got it from.

I do not want to argue about the validity of the clue itself, I am just trying to figure out where I heard it.

J.

 

[Idahodutch]

I can't find where I heard or read about a certain clue about the LDM.

I remember it was given as a quote from Jacob Waltz, but I am not sure.

"My mine is about 15 feet away from a Mexican mine that goes all the way through to the other side of the hill"

That is all the info I have on it and I probably am misrepresenting it, but it's close to what I heard or read.

Does anyone else know of a similar clue or heard it before? I've searched and the only place that mentions anything close was on Jeff Howlett's Arcana Expedition site #11 clue. "...He also said his shaft and the Mexican’s shaft were very close together, but when you stood at either shaft you cannot see the other shaft"

but that's not where I got it from.

I do not want to argue about the validity of the clue itself, I am just trying to figure out where I heard it.

J.

Hello J.,
In thinking about some sort of clue where a hole of sorts goes through to the other side….
The only thing that comes to mind, may not be worded very close to what you’re saying, it had to do with a cave or tunnel that miners used for storing tools. Presumably for working in a mine close by.
In that version, it was a cave, used as a pathway for getting to an open location at the other end of the cave.

I think it could have been something someone was talking about on the forums. 🤷🏼‍♂️
It seemed like a Doc Thorne type story, someone getting led through this cave to get to a spot. 🤓👍

Maybe it was part of an LDM story, 🤷🏼‍♂️ I don’t have more to go with that.

Idahodutch

 

[TheFatDutchman]

Thanks for replying! Unfortunately, I am pretty sure they were talking about the LDM and it was a quote attributed to Jacob Waltz. For some reason I think it was a woman saying it, perhaps a curator of a museum or from a foundation or library. I will keep looking though and I appreciate your response.

J.

 

[Idahodutch]

I hope you find where you saw/heard it. 👍

Idahodutch

 

[markmar]

I can't find where I heard or read about a certain clue about the LDM.

I remember it was given as a quote from Jacob Waltz, but I am not sure.

"My mine is about 15 feet away from a Mexican mine that goes all the way through to the other side of the hill"

That is all the info I have on it and I probably am misrepresenting it, but it's close to what I heard or read.

Does anyone else know of a similar clue or heard it before? I've searched and the only place that mentions anything close was on Jeff Howlett's Arcana Expedition site #11 clue. "...He also said his shaft and the Mexican’s shaft were very close together, but when you stood at either shaft you cannot see the other shaft"

but that's not where I got it from.

I do not want to argue about the validity of the clue itself, I am just trying to figure out where I heard it.

J.

I believe that clue fits with the location of Waltz's mine in regards to the tunnel beside/below which was dug by the Mexicans. That tunnel, is not going through to the other side of the hill/knob, but Waltz believed how it's the same vein. The tunnel and Waltz mine is/was in the same line between the inclined shaft which is above, and another prospect which is below, very close to the main canyon bed, almost in the corner with the gulch. The distance between the first mine above ( inclined shaft ) and the last mine below, is about 300 feet, and for this reason Waltz stated the vein runs down 400 feet . As you can see, the distance was reproduced wrong by passing it orally from one to another.

At the Waltz mine location, there is not only his mine, but another six mining workings in the close vicinity. One is the inclined shaft from the saddle, two other which are very close each other, close to the ravine and almost at its head ( these are what Joe Deering found ), another is the prospect below wich is supposed to be at the end of the vein that Waltz mentioned and I wrote above, another one is a very short distance downstream the main canyon from the gulch and almost ( three feet away ) in the canyon bed, and the last prospect is across the main canyon from the Waltz mine, about 400 feet up a ravine, in the shade of some trees.

 

[rk85044]

These mines were supposedly all covered by the Apaches to hide them...except one...because it was sooooooo abstract...unique....impossible to conceive where it was...and hard as heck to get to...so they had no need to hide it at all.....the clue that i love is the one that sez it was hidden by the contours of the land......who speaks like that anymore.....down right Archimedean I say......but I do think they never knew about the lower out crop the dutchman found on his burial duty...and hence put his name on it....but..the horse..that rampant horse...with one ear up.... the other down... and his the mouth open...some 200 feet long....with the hidden filly perhaps... now showing another mine entrance as well....hmmmmmmmm

 

[markmar]

These mines were supposedly all covered by the Apaches to hide them...except one...because it was sooooooo abstract...unique....impossible to conceive where it was...and hard as heck to get to...so they had no need to hide it at all.....the clue that i love is the one that sez it was hidden by the contours of the land......who speaks like that anymore.....down right Archimedean I say......but I do think they never knew about the lower out crop the dutchman found on his burial duty...and hence put his name on it....but..the horse..that rampant horse...with one ear up.... the other down... and his the mouth open...some 200 feet long....with the hidden filly perhaps... now showing another mine entrance as well....hmmmmmmmm

Yes, that yellow ribbon left by Apache uncovered on purpose, is the Waltz ( LDM ) mine. Waltz know in the beginning only about the Inclined shaft from above in the HOYO, but because the land from the inclined shaft was descending, and the mine shaft after 40 feet was turning horizontally, Waltz thought the gold vein will get out in a specific place. So , he went lower on the hillside, in the supposed direction of the shaft, and stumbled upon the yellow ribbon. Then , continued in the same direction lower, and stumbled again on another prospect. And then was born the clue which stated his vein runs 400 feet on the hillside.
Another reason the Apache left gold outcroppings uncovered, was they avoided to enter deep gold mines to take gold for their needs, so was easier for them to chip some flakes from an autcrop. There are few other gold outcroppings left for this purpose, but I doubt young Apache are aware of. The most known of them are the Jenkins and Dr. Thorne, which are not in the same region, nor with the Waltz mine.