put your thinking cap on folks............pics of back of buckle added

Marc(NB) · May 24, 2010

Folks I need to ID the 2 following
The white thing seems to be made from clay.It was dug in an early 1700's site,my hunting bud never saw one before.Its either a part off a modern piece that fell off the farmers tractor,or a part of a very early version of a crack pipe lol.

THis part of a buckle was dug by my other digging partner,looks military to me maybe 1st or 2nd WW.Any one else have any input.Thanks

kuger · May 25, 2010

Yes,cast,I stick with my time frame maybe later.Neat one!!!

kuger · May 26, 2010

O.K. Marc,this is from my buddy and foremost expert on these buckles " I need outside belt loop dimensions and inside diameter. I think i know the wreath.
Pretty cool, where was it dug? What era of trash ?".If anybody can root out info this is the guy!

vayank54 · May 27, 2010

You are probably right on the time period Kuger. I don't know the later stuff that well. There is a guy I cna ask about the one I think was dug in VA. I have to get ahold of him. When I find out something i'll let you know. I might be mistaken. You know the minds is the first thing to go. I don't even want to know what the second is. Maybe my mind will be too far gone to remember what that's for before it goes. :laughing7:

kuger · May 27, 2010

vayank54 said:
You are probably right on the time period Kuger. I don't know the later stuff that well. There is a guy I cna ask about the one I think was dug in VA. I have to get ahold of him. When I find out something i'll let you know. I might be mistaken. You know the minds is the first thing to go. I don't even want to know what the second is. Maybe my mind will be too far gone to remember what that's for before it goes.

Dont worry Vay,they make pills for that!!At least you have an excuse!!I am not to good with anything that isnt within my small window of interest(1849-1865)I would love to hear anything you can find! :thumbsup:

vayank54 · May 28, 2010

Yeah but I'm afraid I'll forget what the pills are for. :'(

I'll try to find out something. I don't think I've ever seen a tongue with the tab or whatever it is on the back on the opposite side of the belt loop. To be honest I don't know a whole lot about the 2 piece buckles as I haven't dealt with them that much. I don't dig them and sure as heck can't afford to buy them.

kuger · May 28, 2010

There are quite a variance on those cast backs here are a couple at my arms length :thumbsup:

Bramblefind · May 28, 2010

Just a thought for possible exploration- the design of the thistle is close to the Scots Fusilier Guards - I found a description of a two part belt clasp from an auction site but unfortunately not a picture-

http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive/searchcataloguearchive/itemdetail.lasso?itemid=20384

Lot 245, 28 Jun 00

Collection: SCOTTISH MILITARY BADGES (Arthur Strutt Collection)
Category: MILITARIA
Estimate: £80-£120
Hammer Price: £150
Description
Scots Fusilier Guards, a rare other ranks two part brass waist belt clasp 1855-1877, thistle centre and unit title surround, some wear to the central high points £80-120

Here is one of their badges for comparison-

1854 Scots Guard Crimea War period ammunition pouch badge. The original 4 lugs to the reverse have been removed c/1870 for wear with the valise equipment. Solder to centre indicates where the valise bracket (now removed) was added. Later struck badges were identical in design, but without the 4 x lugs to reverse for ammo pouch flap. gVF. An excellent addition to a Scots Fusilier Guards Crimea War display.

Lucas · May 28, 2010

Scots Guards buckles have the entire thistle/star inside. They were in Canada tho. 1870's I think? :dontknow:

Also I think the what's it buckle is white metal? :icon_scratch:

Marc(NB) · May 28, 2010

thanks for the help guys!! Iam doing a lot of research on my end also trying to solve this for my friend,HH

Iron Patch · May 29, 2010

Lucas said:
Scots Guards buckles have the entire thistle/star inside. They were in Canada tho. 1870's I think?

Also I think the what's it buckle is white metal?

Don't discount that because the one in question is earlier. (and definitely not white metal) Also, if or when a unit was in Canada often makes little difference because the Maritime provinces turns up a lot of misc. military finds, many of which the units never set foot on Canadian soil.