quartz pipe/fire dish, effigy club.

[Paleo Lonewolf]

Found this one yesterday. Central Ozark Mountains, surface collected. View attachment 862050

 

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[mamabear]

ummm, they look like the rocks we have around here. Maybe I'm missing something?

 

[theviking]

WOW. By far the most imaginative description I have ever seen describing a natural rock, like award winning . Love "The Breakdown", great stuff. Good luck in future hunts.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Welcome to the site.

I see no evidence whatsoever that that piece was ever altered by man. Nothing but a natural rock and a very, very vivid imagination.

 

[rock]

Welcome to the site but that type of belief is not given in every type of artifact sites. There are sites that believe in that but not this one. HH, rock

 

[Paleo Lonewolf]

Uuuhhhh .... you guys do know the difference between ground stone artifacts vrs chipped stone 'gas station specials', right? LOL

 

[Paleo Lonewolf]

Ok ok, I'll get more pics and prove it. You guys don't gotta be so damn rude about it though. Really. Just say my case isn't proven yet. ffs

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

sorry people have been rude to you.

good luck

 

[rock]

Its ok that you collect them, its just not meant to post on a arrowhead type of site. There are sites out there that believe in that but just not this one. I dont believe that is a rude statement I have given you. Look under "ancient carved stone fetishes". I believe you will find what you are looking for then. GL, rock

 

[theviking]

My apologies if I came off rude, wasn't sure if you where serious or not. Welcome to the site.

 

[Flatwoods88]

It's just a rock buddy, it doesn't take an expert to figure that on out.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

perfect example of why I rarely post in this section of treasurenet.

 

[Charl]

Well, if it's only a rock, and not an artifact, isn't it simply being honest to inform the poster that it's not an artifact? It's extremely obvious that it's not an artifact. Why inform the poster that it is an artifact? This is not a perfect example of why not to post to this section of treasurenet. It is an example of what can happen, short and to the point replies, when one posts something that is simply not what the poster believes it to be. Would it really be better to say "hey, nice effigy pipe! Welcome!" Paleo Lonewolf, there was no real need for anybody here to say your case was not proven yet, instead of telling you it's just a rock. The reason there was no reason to tell you your case was not proven is because your photos were enough to disprove your case. You may believe otherwise, and that's your right, but experienced eyes can see it's not an artifact. Trouble is, sometimes short and to the point seems rude when it really is not intended as such. Welcome to the forum. A great many experienced collectors here.

If I were a dealer/experienced collector at an artifact show, and you showed me this rock, asked what I thought, and I could see a look of excitement and anticipation of good news on your face, I would let you down as gently as I could muster. But I would have no choice but to let you down. Person to person is different, isn't it....

 

[Charl]

Its ok that you collect them, its just not meant to post on a arrowhead type of site. There are sites out there that believe in that but just not this one. I dont believe that is a rude statement I have given you. Look under "ancient carved stone fetishes". I believe you will find what you are looking for then. GL, rock

Paleo Lonewolf, rock is saying that it's not an effigy. Native societies had artists every bit as skilled as cultures elsewhere throughout time and place, and effigies will be obvious, they will not be something largely dependent on the imagination. I can see a faint face in your breakdown photo, but it's natural, the way faces in clouds are natural. I believe the sites rock is referring to are certain websites, not other artifact forums, where the website creators lack discrimination and an experienced eye, and post ordinary rocks claiming more then could ever be reasonably claimed. The Internet does not "weed out" such ill conceived sites, one has to hope most people will recognize the conclusions drawn at such sites as mistaken. On artifact forums, and there are quite a few, your thread would receive the same conclusions from experienced people on those forums. A natural rock.

 

[Charl]

lol you know which ones I am talking about. I have seen some that stack rocks to look like animals. Not actual artifact sites.

OK. Maybe my stack is leaning over too far in my old age

 

[rock]

We better stop we are talking all over this guys rock post.

 

[Charl]

We better stop we are talking all over this guys rock post.

My bad. Sorry Paleo Lonewolf, did not mean to high jack....

 

[Paleo Lonewolf]

yeah, Ok ... so any of you guys see any designs in these either??

 

[Neogeo]

Sorry...But no I do not.

 

[wolfcouncil]

this is all a little too esoteric and avante garde for me.