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[Simon1]

I remember reading that newspaper, it was called "The Neolithic Times". It use to come every morning to the house.

 

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[Simon1]

When I was younger, we lived in a small town that they discovered alot of Clovis stuff.

 

[Tom_Restorer]

When I was younger, we lived in a small town that they discovered alot of Clovis stuff.

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This Clovis stuff is so expensive here in europe!
We have a nice Clovis collection in our history society. Spear heads and Arrow heads almost but many of them. They are simply pieces of art!!

I found myself some high quality European masterpieces like daggers, axes, beautiful worked arrow heads etc.
I love this stuff.

 

[Simon1]

As a kid, I remember going to the Clovis site, but don't recall finding anything. It was in a farm field like 3 minute walk from our house, so it was close. The archaeologists had come in before we lived there and they cleaned out the site. When we went to the Historical Building, they had pieces on display there. I don't think any of the pieces had been shaped yet. If I remember right, the archaeologists thought it was a hidden site of the rock material that was placed there for when they were passing through they had a source for tools and such.

 

[Tom_Restorer]

some impressions of neolithic tombs from our holiday Isle.

 

[Simon1]

Those are neat, That first picture looks nice. Hard to believe they were capable of something like that way back then. In that third picture I see a coffee maker in the background next to a refrigerator. Is this your home away from home ?

 

[Tom_Restorer]

As a kid, I remember going to the Clovis site, but don't recall finding anything. It was in a farm field like 3 minute walk from our hose, so it was close. The archaeologists had come in before we lived there and they cleaned out the site. When we went to the Historical Building, they had pieces on display there. I don't think any of the pieces had been shaped yet. If I remember right, the archaeologists thought it was a hidden site of the rock material that was placed there for when they were passing through they had a source for tools and such.

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here you have almost no chance to find something except farmers plow the fields. The stuff is usually deep in the ground for thousands of years. Flint stone is also not easy to see if the soil is light in color or filled with other stones like lime stone. Best time to look for that stuff is to wait until the farmers plowed the fields and it was heavily raining, than it is easy to see when it is washed up by rain. After years I got a good eye on searching. You can find good areas also by looking for splinters from working out tools. They look different as natural broken flint.
One time I got real luck and found a bone awl in perfect condition. To find any organic material from neolithic period is absolutely rare because it is too wet in our region.

 

[Simon1]

And as you said, with farmers plowing the fields the chance of damage is great.

 

[Tom_Restorer]

Those are neat, That first picture looks nice. Hard to believe they were capable of something like that way back then. In that third picture I see a coffee maker in the background next to a refrigerator. Is this your home away from home ?

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YUP! We always try to safe money at holiday and this was the cheapest Motel we find

You know what - Most of the real large and heavy roof stones has quadrangular holes on top to lift them up!!
They are not new from rebuilding the tombs as it was done in 1900s. the holes are as same worn as the rest of the stone and the edges are heavily washed up. So they must have had a method in this time to lift such huge stones! It is also on every hole to see that they are undercut, so a "tool" can get a real grip.
Have never seen that this was mentioned in a book. May overseen (what I can´t believe) or simply no answer for it...

 

[Simon1]

Yes, how did they lift them heavy stones.

 

[Simon1]

Did you actually go inside these ? They look like a death trap.

 

[Tom_Restorer]

And as you said, with farmers plowing the fields the chance of damage is great.

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The damage on most pieces is not as great as you think. Because the flint is so hard, the smaller pieces under 6 inches came out very well.
Larger and thinner stuff breaks often like large daggers. Also there is such a lot in the ground that some damage on objects is not a great deal. There are millions of artifacts.
More important is the damage deep in the ground when they plow over 70 cm deep, which was done earlier and it is now forbidden here. This destroys many evidence from the layer the pieces came from.
Have seen this on diggings. You see a layer of sand and in it black scratches filed with soil from above.

 

[Tom_Restorer]

Yes, how did they lift them heavy stones. View attachment 1582559

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[Simon1]

What do they plant ? 70 cm to me seems deep. Of course if the top has that much sand.
I see some pretty areas in Germany.

 

[Simon1]

When I first saw your picture of the ground I thought for a moment it was a picture from a side-scan sonar .

 

[Tom_Restorer]

Did you actually go inside these ? They look like a death trap.

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SURE!

I crawl in every hole I see!! Tombs, in castles, caves... If there is any hole, no one can stop me!

 

[Tom_Restorer]

What do they plant ? 70 cm to me seems deep. Of course if the top has that much sand.
I see some pretty areas in Germany.

Can´t say why they did this earlier... may to get better soil to the top? Don´t know and never researched it.

Oh, a pic of our isle !! NICE!

 

[Tom_Restorer]

When I first saw your picture of the ground I thought for a moment it was a picture from a side-scan sonar .

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looks a bit similar.
In fact this example just shows small plow lines. I saw some that was 7 or 8" wide and with the same distance to each other. Most of the evidence was destroyed and the archeologist was n´t happy about it.
As I said, you can find millions and millions of neolithic artifacts but to find a not disturbed place where people lived is near impossible. Only plowed fields and a lot of artifacts in one area give archeologists an idea where they exactly lived. This tombs are most some hundred meters away from those places.
Much more worse it gets for archeologists if the farmers plowed in different direction and it looks like a chess board.

 

[Tom_Restorer]

What do they plant ? 70 cm to me seems deep. Of course if the top has that much sand.
I see some pretty areas in Germany.

In fact the east sea or Baltic sea has a lot of fantastic areas and many wild beaches. Not to compare with the north sea where everything is just FLAT, the water is dirty and more salty and the vegetation is simply boring....
North sea has also tides. So the water is simply not there if you need it

 

[Simon1]

True, but the farmer is just doing what he has to do in order to make a living farming. But going down 70cm I can see why he has to do that with the sand topsoil. I find it interesting with the farmer plowing his fields in the UK and finds cache of Roman coins or gold objects. That would be fun and the government doesn't take it all from you leaving you with nothing.