recognize this crest?

[ashlee1228]

solid silver snuff/tobacco box when it was found it still had the "stuff" in it... but it was handed to an idiot who opened it and dumped it out

does anyone recognize the crest? i think its German

 

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[ashlee1228]

heres the rest of the box

 

[ashlee1228]

oh and the box is the size of a current day tobacco can (skoal)

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Very nice find. I dont know anything about it but here is a link on countries that have used the double headed eagle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-headed_eagle

 

[Montana Jim]

Ornate two-headed eagle - symbol of secular and ecclesiastical authority in some religions.

Also a Russian symbol, a medievil symbol, the flag of albania, and an artistic symbol - all depending on the elements of design.

Your with the eagle, crown and heart... I have no idea.

Still looking - But I would bet a paycheck that it's simply a generic heraldry symbol... and btw, it's very cool!

 

[ashlee1228]

yeah the heart is what is really tripping me up... oh nad there are NO hallmarks or any other kind of marking on it

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Almost looks like Arabic writing above the eagles.

 

[Montana Jim]

Almost looks like Arabic writing above the eagles.

It's a crown Cy

 

[EDDE]

i got nothing
i just wanted to see your picture again

 

[Eu_citzen]

LOL!! Edde!

I was also thinking Russian..But then!!
http://karenswhimsy.com/masonic-symbols.shtm

A Masonic symbol...Note the second pic, 2 headed eagle with a crown....Hmm...

I'm still looking for more info...

 

[CRUSADER]

i got nothing
i just wanted to see your picture again

which picture

 

[CRUSADER]

http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/smirnova//coat.html

Not quite right but close

 

[PBK]

A fairly similar design appears on the reverse of a Holy Roman Empire medal struck in Frankfurt, Germany in 1711 for the coronation of Charles VI. Scroll about 1/3 down at:

http://ansmagazine.com/winter02/cabinet.html

 

[Eu_citzen]

PBK...You might be on to something.

 

[wesfrye53]

Montana Jim wasn't much help on this one; he must not have personal knowledge of the object.

See this to make sense of my comment: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,162566.0.html

 

[ghost_rider]

Hope this helps:

The double-headed eagle is today the emblem of the most widely practiced system of high Masonic degrees in the world: the Ancient and Accepted Scottish rite. Originally the degrees conferred under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Councils were based strongly on the Judeo-Christian tradition. After evolving over two centuries, this rite now promotes a universalistic spirituality. It is interesting to note that this universal vocation already existed for the emblem selected during the origins of the rite. For an iconographic historian, “the eagle, with the dragon, are the only animals that have existed as an emblem in all countries and in every period.. Since the most ancient times, communities have made the double-headed eagle—half-eagle, half mythical animal, like the dragon—an emblematic figure. When Freemasonry adopted some of the Western symbolic imagery in the last thirty years of the eighteenth century, the double-headed eagle was naturally included among these emblems.

http://www.renaissance-traditionnelle.org/Articles/double-headed-eagle.htm

 

[ghost_rider]

Here some more I found:

The double-headed eagle looking to the East and West may be from the coat of arms of Germany or from a French ancestor organization of the Scottish Rite, the Emperors of the East and West. Its crown signifies that the Thirty-third Degree is the administrative Degree of the Rite, and this symbolism of proper administration is continued with the sword of strength, the hand of justice, and the scales in balance.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The link i posted shows 20 double-eagles with crown but the only one with a heart also is the one PBK found.

 

[ghost_rider]

Notice the Scotish Rite double-eagles origin is from Germany!! Kind of confers with PBK doesn't it

 

[PBK]

Beside the 1711 HRE medal in the link that I posted, the only other example that I could find of a double-headed eagle with a heart on its breast is a Pennsylvania Dutch "hex" sign. Scroll about 1/3 down at:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~aferm/pennsylvania/hex.htm

I doubt it has much to do with this item— apart from a general Germanic context— but I just thought I'd mention it.