Rev War Bottle???

[vayank54]

A friend of mine found this bottle in South Jersey along the Mullica river in an area where British ships were supposed to have docked during the rev. war. Any info would be appreciated. They found this years ago and packed away and just found it again. I've posted this in the bottles section as well.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres another eBay sale with a crude pontil mark at the base. http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/very-early-crude-open-pontil-persian-saddle

It says:
These so-called Persian Saddle Flasks have an obscure history. Not much has been written about them. T was some debate as to whether these were ever produced in America. One was found in a grave dating 1814. In general, these bottles date from the 17th and 18th century. Some were certainly used as saddle flasks. Most, like the one in this auction are crude and beautifully colored.


It also says:
These saddle flasks with applied neck-rings and blowpipe pontil scar are usually attributed to Persia but could also be from Austria.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Of course, this unit is not a Saddle Flask, or else it would be flat...like a saddle flask

According to the eBay links, this bottle is commonly known as a Persian Saddle bottle or camel bottle but they cannot agree to its authenticity.

We need better supporting links than eBay to make a proper ID on this bottle. Maybe some one can google some up.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I did a quick search and came up with this. Of course Im not saying vayanks friends bottle is modern. Its just something we must consider.

http://www.bottleauctions.com/news/page/3/

Several bottles appeared on ebay this week described as 18th century “Naval Deck Sweepers” and “Naval Boarding Weapons.” What a lovely and charming story filled with illusions of military battles, gunsmoke, sea journeys and explosives. Most bottle collectors would instantly recognize the freeblown form as what we collectively and quaintly call “Persian Saddle Flasks” or “Mexican tourist trade glass.” No matter what euphemism by which you choose to call them, it is commonly accepted knowledge that such freeblown pieces with exaggerated crudeness in manufacture and intentional ‘coarse’ glass containing significant bubbles and impurities are the work of 20th century glass manufacturers. Such glass has been around for decades, and may have been blown in Mexico, South America, Europe or the mid-East.

While it is not uncommon to find such bottles at any bottle show in the range of $35, it is quite shocking to see that numerous bidders have signed on to the battle and run up the bidding in excess of $500.

P.T. Barnum would not be the least bit surprised



And this: http://reviews.ebay.com/FAKE-DECK-SWEEPERS_W0QQugidZ10000000002803892

 

[CRUSADER]

I did a quick search and came up with this. Of course Im not saying vayanks friends bottle is modern. Its just something we must consider.

http://www.bottleauctions.com/news/page/3/

Several bottles appeared on ebay this week described as 18th century “Naval Deck Sweepers” and “Naval Boarding Weapons.” What a lovely and charming story filled with illusions of military battles, gunsmoke, sea journeys and explosives. Most bottle collectors would instantly recognize the freeblown form as what we collectively and quaintly call “Persian Saddle Flasks” or “Mexican tourist trade glass.” No matter what euphemism by which you choose to call them, it is commonly accepted knowledge that such freeblown pieces with exaggerated crudeness in manufacture and intentional ‘coarse’ glass containing significant bubbles and impurities are the work of 20th century glass manufacturers. Such glass has been around for decades, and may have been blown in Mexico, South America, Europe or the mid-East.

While it is not uncommon to find such bottles at any bottle show in the range of $35, it is quite shocking to see that numerous bidders have signed on to the battle and run up the bidding in excess of $500.

P.T. Barnum would not be the least bit surprised



And this: http://reviews.ebay.com/FAKE-DECK-SWEEPERS_W0QQugidZ10000000002803892

Thats a shame but looking at the condition again, it seems most likely.

 

[IronSpike]

Would a bottle expert with bottle in hand be able to tell age?