🥇 BANNER Roman Hoarde found 300+ Coins and counting

[Westfront]

With my last post http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/533136-couple-nice-roman-coins.html the story started.
We detected around a large Roman settlement to get what's left after years of detecting the site. We were out on a neighboring field gridding a loose pattern hoping for a hotspot somewhere between the scatter of broken roof tiles. My buddy started at one end of the field, i started where the scatter of tiles ended towards him. At one point he called over with a coin. About a minute later he had two more and i started digging coins also. We realized soon the coins were in a small stripe about 15' wide and 100' long inline with the plowmarks.

We had to stop because time was running out and returned a day later to recover more coins. Till this point we had about 150 coins in the pouch and it was time to call the Archies in. Then the machine started.... Meeting on site with my Archie and their surveyor, several telephone calls, meet the landowner to get his ok for excavating, renting a small excavator, lump together a team and so on.
Today we met early in the morning in the field and started removing the first 4" of soil in the area where the most coins were found.

There we got another 40 or so. That was when we stopped packing them in zip lok bags one by one.
Then the next 4" were ground of. More coins. Every coin was GPSed now because we nearly hit plow depth. Here is a pic of the pattern of coins. You can see how they lay in a line. Count was 137 then.

Unfortunately coin finds started drying out.

Next was a base grade to get a better look of the area.

Thats when the outlines of a burial with side laying grave goods chamber turned up. White line is the burial, yellow is the chamber and red circle is where i found the bronze bell.

The bell in situ.

After that all was recorded and what was left of the burial was recovered. Everything inside was spread by the plow a long time ago so only 1" to 2" of the bottom were still there. No bones or ash, no grave goods other than the bell were found.
Wild guess is that a leather bag was hidden at the grave and never picked up. Coins are all Barborous Tetricus I and II 271-273 AD. Count till this evening is close to 300 coins. Tomorrow we'll get some more.... Sorry for not having a pic with all coins together. All went in bags fast....

 

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[birdman]

What an incredibly amazing find!

 

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[Hawk_]

Wow!! Once in a lifetime hoard. Incredible find!!

 

[neodetectorist]

No words. WOWEEEEEWOWWOWWOW

 

[itzyoboyandrew]

No one is going to comment on that he may of dug up a grave? im not expert but isnt that illegal? Or is it not since there was no bones. idk, pelase clarify this for me.

 

[FC-Treasure]

No one is going to comment on that he may of dug up a grave? im not expert but isnt that illegal? Or is it not since there was no bones. idk, pelase clarify this for me.

Re-read the post. Archie = Archaeologist

 

[CRUSADER]

No one is going to comment on that he may of dug up a grave? im not expert but isnt that illegal? Or is it not since there was no bones. idk, pelase clarify this for me.

Firstly if the Law is the same as the the UK, it's not illegal to dig an ancient unmarked grave by accident until human remains are found & then you have to report it. Not reporting it is illegal.

Secondly he reported it WITHOUT the discovery of human remains & the Archies did the dig & discovered the graves, not him. He did everything right & far more than most would. So pay attention before throwing around comments like that.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Firstly if the Law is the same as the the UK, it's not illegal to dig an ancient unmarked grave by accident until human remains are found & then you have to report it. Not reporting it is illegal.

Secondly he reported it WITHOUT the discovery of human remains & the Archies did the dig & discovered the graves, not him. He did everything right & far more than most would. So pay attention before throwing around comments like that.

Good post crusader. And not only is an md'r not *purposefully* digging/disturbing a "grave", (if he just unknowingly chased a beep), but I have to add: I highly doubt the person in the grave is going to miss it. I know that sounds dastardly, but ... honestly .... I don't know who's to be offended ? Even if his next of kin, 2000 yrs. ago, buried those coins in that grave, are even THEY around to "be offended" ? And.... sheesk, is there even a single place on earth where you CAN'T find a "grave" or bone of some sort on every single acre of land ? (esp. in parts of Europe where dense civilizations have been for 3000+ yrs., you're bound to find a bone ANYWHERE a farmer digs, etc....)

 

[Westfront]

Firstly if the Law is the same as the the UK, it's not illegal to dig an ancient unmarked grave by accident until human remains are found & then you have to report it. Not reporting it is illegal.

Secondly he reported it WITHOUT the discovery of human remains & the Archies did the dig & discovered the graves, not him. He did everything right & far more than most would. So pay attention before throwing around comments like that.

Well spoken Cru! Nothing to add on my side.

Good post crusader. And not only is an md'r not *purposefully* digging/disturbing a "grave", (if he just unknowingly chased a beep), but I have to add: I highly doubt the person in the grave is going to miss it. I know that sounds dastardly, but ... honestly .... I don't know who's to be offended ? Even if his next of kin, 2000 yrs. ago, buried those coins in that grave, are even THEY around to "be offended" ? And.... sheesk, is there even a single place on earth where you CAN'T find a "grave" or bone of some sort on every single acre of land ? (esp. in parts of Europe where dense civilizations have been for 3000+ yrs., you're bound to find a bone ANYWHERE a farmer digs, etc....)

Yes Tom, you're absolutely right with your thought. This area was temporary populated since Neolithic times dating back to 5000BC and continuous since Iron Age. Several wars devasted the land, last time in 1944/45, i doubt there is a single field without human remains somewhere. Dealing with this case is unavoidable for every field hunter, may it be here in Europe or anywhere else.

@ itzyoboyandrew:
Have you ever looked at the often stunning finds the CW Hunters on here make? Did you realize where they are coming from? Why a buckle or a breast plate was lost? Please think before you speak.

 

[seekerGH]

Just found this thread, very nice work!

Would like to see the bell all restored, were there any markings on the bell?
Nice to see the GPS of the coins, that way it can be brought into any mapping software.

First I have ever heard of a coin sniffing dog!

 

[Westfront]

Thanks, all finds are in the restoration process right now to make them ready for display. No markings on the bell and never seen Roman metalworks with makers mark. Pottery and roof tiles sometimes have a stamp of the manufacture. And the dog? To be honest, i really don't know what he was sniffing there, at least it's his hobby to follow the excavator as close as possible.

 

[itzyoboyandrew]

Firstly if the Law is the same as the the UK, it's not illegal to dig an ancient unmarked grave by accident until human remains are found & then you have to report it. Not reporting it is illegal.

Secondly he reported it WITHOUT the discovery of human remains & the Archies did the dig & discovered the graves, not him. He did everything right & far more than most would. So pay attention before throwing around comments like that.

No reason to get defense, I wasnt sure on the laws in the uk and was merely asking.

 

[itzyoboyandrew]

Well spoken Cru! Nothing to add on my side.




Yes Tom, you're absolutely right with your thought. This area was temporary populated since Neolithic times dating back to 5000BC and continuous since Iron Age. Several wars devasted the land, last time in 1944/45, i doubt there is a single field without human remains somewhere. Dealing with this case is unavoidable for every field hunter, may it be here in Europe or anywhere else.

@ itzyoboyandrew:
Have you ever looked at the often stunning finds the CW Hunters on here make? Did you realize where they are coming from? Why a buckle or a breast plate was lost? Please think before you speak.

Sheesh you ask a question on here and people get triggered and think you have wrong intentions. AGAIN, i did think before i spoke, i wasnt sure on the laws there and merely asked a question/

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... and merely asked a question/

Itzyoboyandrew: To add a bit of balance here for Crusader & Westfront : Sure, you merely "asked a question". But ask yourself: What does the question IMPLY ? In other words, the way questions can be phrased, can be seen to making a statement by default/inference.

And sure, perhaps you just didn't know. But some of us groan when such seemingly innocent questions (which give implications) get thrown out there. Because often-time it merely serves to further promote the "rumor". Someone else sees your question, and ... rather than follow it through to the answer (the debunking of notion), they merely hold in their craw that "such & such is illegal". In other words: Bad news rumors are nearly IMPOSSIBLE to put to rest. And the mere asking of the question often starts/spreads the "rumor", even when not true in-the-end.

Yeah Yeah I know, you're in a catch-22. Because how were you supposed to know unless you asked ? But just sayin' : Put yourself in the shoes of those who feel like they need to defend themselves against "having disturbed graves" or having "done something illegal". So when you see a ... uh.... "gruff" answer, just get a thick skin and know it's just locker-room tought-guy talk. No one means you harm or ill-will.

 

[itzyoboyandrew]

Itzyoboyandrew: To add a bit of balance here for Crusader & Westfront : Sure, you merely "asked a question". But ask yourself: What does the question IMPLY ? In other words, the way questions can be phrased, can be seen to making a statement by default/inference.

And sure, perhaps you just didn't know. But some of us groan when such seemingly innocent questions (which give implications) get thrown out there. Because often-time it merely serves to further promote the "rumor". Someone else sees your question, and ... rather than follow it through to the answer (the debunking of notion), they merely hold in their craw that "such & such is illegal". In other words: Bad news rumors are nearly IMPOSSIBLE to put to rest. And the mere asking of the question often starts/spreads the "rumor", even when not true in-the-end.

Yeah Yeah I know, you're in a catch-22. Because how were you supposed to know unless you asked ? But just sayin' : Put yourself in the shoes of those who feel like they need to defend themselves against "having disturbed graves" or having "done something illegal". So when you see a ... uh.... "gruff" answer, just get a thick skin and know it's just locker-room tought-guy talk. No one means you harm or ill-will.

fair enough

 

[itzyoboyandrew]

But i dont want to start a debate on someone elses thread or in general. But yea my question was answered, so thank you crusader and westfront, sorry for the misunderstanding

 

[CRUSADER]

But i dont want to start a debate on someone elses thread or in general. But yea my question was answered, so thank you crusader and westfront, sorry for the misunderstanding

That's OK, it was just badly phased & seem less of a question than an accusation. I know Westfront & I come from the same page when it comes to honest reporting & working with the Archies, & with that comes a lot of pride which can be easily popped.

 

[tinpan]

That's OK, it was just badly phased & seem less of a question than an accusation. I know Westfront & I come from the same page when it comes to honest reporting & working with the Archies, & with that comes a lot of pride which can be easily popped.

Hi crusader, Are you a landowner with ancient burial sites on it ? TP

 

[CRUSADER]

Hi crusader, Are you a landowner with ancient burial sites on it ? TP

Nope, but never upset one that did, how about you?

 

[bryanleemc]

Most Awesome! Okay... I'm kinda new to this. When you find something like this, doesn't the gov get all the finds? Still must have been a nice heart pounding find!

 

[Tnmountains]

This is a dream post for a detector in your area. What a hunt, Very well done and thank you for sharing the journey with us.