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I am planning to go to Madagascar in the near future to search for pirate treasure. Does anyone know about the laws on land-based treasure hunting there? I couldn’t find any details online.


Also, any advice on treasure hunting would be awesome! Thanks!
 
I think recreational treasure hunting is allowed, but there may be restrictions on using metal detectors in certain historic and cultural areas. Are you able to say whose treasure you are after, or what led you there?
 
Personally i would explore around Ile Sainte-Marie, or St. Mary's Island as it is known in English, became a popular base for pirates, between the 17th and 18th centuries. Beginning with Adam Baldridge in 1691 and ending with John Pro in 1719, the location was favourable for pirate activity, being near maritime routes travelled by ships returning from the East Indies, their holds overflowing with loot.

The location also provided bays and inlets for protection from storms, abundant fruit and quiet waters. Legendary pirates including William Kidd, Robert Culliford, Olivier Levasseur (La Buse) who wrote a cryptogram, Henry Every, Abraham Samuel and Thomas Tew lived in the île aux Forbans, an island located in the bay of Sainte Marie's main town, Ambodifotatra. Many of them were interred in cemeteries on Nosy Boraha, although the remains have never been identified. It was rumored that the legendary Pirate Republic founded by Henry Every existed in this area. It was claimed that Every reigned there as a Pirate King or Emperor.

Regardless of pirate activity there might be relics from the post pirate era? 1750, the ruler of the Kingdom of Betsimisaraka, Bety of Betsimisaraka, ceded the Island to the Kingdom of France in a Treaty. However, in 1752 the French colonists were massacred when the local population rebelled. France left the settlement abandoned for roughly half a century until returning in 1818. the beaches and caves and ruined settlement and underwater may yield hidden caches loot. lost coins artifacts extra.

Crow
 
In Madagascar, metal detecting is generally allowed, but with restrictions, particularly regarding archaeological sites and potentially on beaches. It's crucial to obtain permission from the mayor for beach metal detecting and to avoid disturbing any known or unknown archaeological sites, as this can lead to severe penalties. While not explicitly prohibited, it's essential to be aware of potential restrictions and to respect the local environment. Permission from the mayor is required for metal detecting on beaches. Searching for archaeological objects, whether known or unknown, is strictly forbidden and carries severe penalties, including jail terms of 10 to 20 years. Always seek permission from landowners before metal detecting on private property. The irony is many of the private property is built over the top archeological piracy sites anyway.

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There has been a a little archeological work at the site. It should be noted that no land investigation has been conducted on Sainte-Marie Island, whether regarding ancient, colonial, or even pirate occupations. However, the area has already been the subject of partial underwater investigations. They revealed the first evidence of the presence of pirates with the remains of some ships. It seems that they were intentionally sunk to create an anthropogenic underwater barrier to defend the bay against the French and British royal navies.

These research efforts led to the discovery between 2000 and 2015 of a wreck believed to be that of the pirate captain William Condon (alias Christopher Condent or Edward Congdon), the Fiery Dragon. The ship is said to have been scuttled by the crew in February 1721 in the bay. The reason for this scuttling can be explained by a document found in the departmental archives of Morbihan in Vannes (Brittany, France): an amnesty ordered by the governor of Bourbon Joseph Beauvollier de Courchant and signed on November 25, 1720. Posted below. It particularly stipulates clauses that must be respected by the pirate Edward Congdon for him to be pardoned, including the scuttling of his ships at anchor on Sainte-Marie Island, where he is temporarily residing. Thanks to this document, we know that more than 135 pirates and nearly 80 black slaves from Guinea were still living on Sainte-Marie Island during this period.

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Source reference: Excerpt from the amnesty application kept in the departmental archives of Morbihan in Vannes

Archaeological investigations were conducted in 2010 and 2015 in the area. A possible second wreck, likely Asian, may have sunk around the same time, overlapping with the Fiery Dragon, but this hypothesis remains to be confirmed. In addition to the remains of the wooden structure of the presumed wreck of the Fiery Dragon, a large number of objects were discovered, including over 2000 fragments of Chinese porcelain, 13 gold coins of various origins, as well as objects of European origin. The assemblage is dated between the end of the 17th century and the year 1721, based on the coins and porcelain. Another wreck referred to as "the channel wreck," which could be the Mocha Frigate or the Great Mahomet, a ship of the pirate Robert Culliford, was also discovered and very partially excavated. Finally, the Adventure Galley, the ship of the pirate William Kidd, may also have been found, but no information related to this discovery has been detailed in the consulted reports. In total, two to four wrecks may have been discovered by the American team. However, a UNESCO team led by Michel L’Hour came in 2015 to verify the identification and authentication of these discoveries. The UNESCO report clearly contradicts the identification of these wrecks, but the debate remains open for the Fiery Dragon, which may also be another ship recovered by Condon's pirates. Nevertheless, UNESCO recommends further research.

Since 2015, no new investigations have been conducted on these wrecks. Despite the great interest in the discovered remains, thorough interdisciplinary scientific work remains to be done to properly identify these wrecks in order to place them in the historical context of the bay and maritime trade towards the East in the 18th century.

Apart from the study of these wrecks, it is crucial here to try to perceive the remains of terrestrial occupations left by the French and by the pirates. Accounts and maps dated between the 2nd half of the 17th century and the early 18th century clearly show that the bay of Ambodifotatra was occupied by a small contingent of the French royal navy as early as the 1650s, possibly a forward base of Fort Dauphin under the command of Flacourt, an area occupied by the French since 1640 with the construction of the fort and until its abandonment in 1674. Several conflicts occurred between the French of Île Sainte-Marie and the Malagasy natives, particularly in 1656. As the French gradually abandoned Fort Dauphin, Sainte-Marie was forsaken by the French troops in 1669. It is not known whether the French built any defensive structures on site, notably a fort that they may have later abandoned. From the 1680s, the first pirates began to land on Île Sainte-Marie and particularly in the bay of Ambodifotatra. It is known that they occupied the area until the 1720s-1730s. Map dated 1730 of the bay of Sainte-Marie showing France's vision in building a large Vauban-style fort below.

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Undated plan of the bay of Sainte-Marie, probably a proposed plan to defend the bay by the French around 1750 below.

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This undated map may show existing past fortification, redoubts around the bay. it was in there area pirates lived on shore worked gambled and stole money off each other.

Judging on what archeology has done at the site coin spills and potentiate hidden caches could be possible. And what ever remains in the scuttled pirates ships. The Asian ship night have Ming pottery in the hull of wreck intact. Some times gold was shipped in between the Ming dynasty pottery.

Crow
 
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Searching for archaeological objects, whether known or unknown, is strictly forbidden and carries severe penalties, including jail terms of 10 to 20 years.
Do you have any information on this law, details, clauses, etc.? There are unverified sources online claiming that it is possible to explore it with special permission, but the veracity of this is unclear.
 
Do you have any information on this law, details, clauses, etc.? There are unverified sources online claiming that it is possible to explore it with special permission, but the veracity of this is unclear.
Best to contact in you live in the united states. The Embassy of Madagascar in Washington D.C. is the official representative of the Republic of Madagascar in the United States of America. 2374 Massachusetts Av NW, Washington, DC 20008, USA Tel. 202 265 5525 and seek clarification there. But if you do not have degree in archeology and funding from educational body forget it.

I doubt they will give you a positive reply. UNESCO funds the site as cultural heritage protection. If you stray from those strict archeological principles then you can get into trouble. As Barry Clifford found out.

Alleged silver discovery.

He made premature news in 2015 claiming it was silver bar he found. it was lead.

Crow
 
le Sainte-Marie, located off the northeast coast of Madagascar, occupies a central place in the maritime history of the western Indian Ocean. Its natural harbor, relatively protected from monsoon systems and regional currents, made it a strategic node for both legitimate trade and illicit maritime activity during the 17th and 18th centuries. Although the island had been known to Arab mariners since at least the 12th century,

it was not until the so-called Golden Age of Piracy (1650–1725 CE) that Sainte-Marie emerged as a significant base of operations for European pirates, including figures such as Henry Avery, William Kidd, Christopher Condent, and Olivier Levasseur. The island’s protected anchorages, close proximity to major sea lanes, and lack of effective colonial governance rendered it an ideal hub for resupply, refitting, and the laundering of plundered goods. In this context, Sainte-Marie Island became a focal point for pirate settlement and maritime activity. The archaeological record, both terrestrial and marine, reflects the complexity and density of occupation during this period.

There is a concentration of shipwrecks in and around the port area of Îlot Madame, a small island within the Sainte-Marie lagoon, offers an opportunity to study the maritime material culture of piracy and its entanglement with global trade networks in the Indian Ocean. The central research question of this study is as follows: To what extent do the material remains, artifacts, construction features, and site stratigraphy of a previously documented shipwreck by an international team at Îlot Madame correspond with historical records of the Nossa Senhora do Cabo, captured by pirates Olivier Levasseur and John Taylor in 1721?

Among the most dramatic episodes of the Golden Age of Piracy was the 1721 capture of the Portuguese treasure ship Nossa Senhora do Cabo by Levasseur and Taylor. This heavily armed vessel, transporting immense wealth including gold, silver, diamonds, and religious artifacts, was en route from Goa to Lisbon when it was damaged in a storm and sought refuge near Réunion Island. According to early accounts, the pirates found a large Portuguese cargo ship lying at anchor that had lost all masts and two thirds of her cannons during a storm (Lazinby 1722).

Seizing the opportunity, Levasseur and Taylor took the ship with little to no resistance because the crew was both largely based on shore at the time and they thought at first sight that the two pirate ships were British Company (Downing 1738:66). The pirates divided the treasure among themselves, with Levasseur reportedly taking the famed Flaming Cross of Goa, a massive gold artifact encrusted with precious stones that took three men to carry (la Ronciere 1934, 1940). Primary records cast doubt on the existence of such an artifact, but documentary evidence does suggest the Viceroy of Goa aboard the vessel did possess a golden cross of the order, most likely hanging on a necklace. During the raid, the pirates allegedly seized it, but later returned it to him along with his gilded sword (Le Mercure 1722:64).

The Nossa Senhora do Cabo was later scuttled near Madagascar, an event that has since fueled speculation about the ship’s final resting place. According to Guet (1886) and Grey (1933:327) La Buse had command of the Cabo, later renamed the Victorieux (i.e., Victorious in English), and after an unknown period of continued piracy, he eventually careened and burnt the ship probably along the coast of Saint-Marie. Sainte-Marie Island has therefore emerged as a prime candidate for what still remains archaeologically of the Nossa Senhora do Cabo.

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There is at least three ships maybe more fiery dragon, adventure galley, Nossa Senhora do Cabo. The ships burnt scuttled.

Here is concentration of wrecks
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Here is map of principle search area. You can see building structures on the early map.

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Today an overlay of principle pirate settlement.

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Artifact recovered i think about 13 gold coins from memory. All of Mogul design.

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pottery shards in keeping with the era,

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Other artifact part of a cross. Could be from the Cabo?

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other artifacts.

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Chinese trade porcelain. All points to piracy.

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The whole area land and sea is cultural and heritage significance. Madagascan is poor country with a complex lax legal system that had problems with corruption and poor observance of rule of law. Graft is common, by u8nesco helps fund the preservation of such site as the local government benefits from tourism. The island makes money from pirate toursm with accommodation. bars clubs etc, From pirate tourism. So allowing some to turn up with a metal detector there is not going to happen.

Other parts of Madagascar might be more lax and indifferent.

Crow
 
But if you do not have degree in archeology and funding from educational body forget it.
So allowing some to turn up with a metal detector there is not going to happen.
I don't mind if this exploration doesn't make any money. I don't have a degree in archaeology, but I have an idea. Do you think it would be possible to team up with another person who has a degree in archaeology to do the expedition?
 
I don't mind if this exploration doesn't make any money. I don't have a degree in archaeology, but I have an idea. Do you think it would be possible to team up with another person who has a degree in archaeology to do the expedition?
Hello Truth seeker.

How long are you planning to visit? The main language spoken on St. Mary's Island (Île Sainte-Marie), Madagascar, is Malagasy, with French also being widely spoken. Malagasy is the national language of Madagascar and is spoken by the vast majority of the population. French is an official language and is used in business and government. So a good proficiency in French will help. If you do find archaeologist probe better to find a French speaking one. Me I would treat the trip as holiday so you would get a feel for the place before trying to get any government involved. There is an old saying time spent in recon is seldom wasted.

First you fly to the capital of Madagascar is Antananarivo. Then catch a flight or a long bus ride to The primary and busiest seaport in Madagascar is Toamasina. If using flights from the main seaport and flight to Nosy Boraha. You might be able to get a ferry from there. You will be restricted with what weight you can carry on a aircraft. The main and only town on Sainte Marie is called Ambodifotatra. The island’s only port, petrol station, two banks/ATMs, and two supermarkets, as well as most hotels and restaurants, are located there. It has a considerable size and a sizable population of locals intermingled with tourists and French retirees.

The principal hangout is the Pirates’ Bar; a European-pub-style place with a terrace overlooking the port and cheap beer. Some nice places to visit for food and drinks are La Paillote for Italian pizza and all sorts of excellent meals; Pizza Mamasanta for less expensive and as delicious pizza; Mofo Mafana bakery for ice cream; and Crazy Co’Cool for coffee by the sea. There are many good local restaurants and street-food stands around. The bar where locals gather for night-long partying is situated a bit out of town in Belle Vue; you can’t miss it if you drive there.

The best way to move around Sainte Marie is to rent a motorbike. Rental shops are available all over the place. The standard price at the time of our visit was 40,000 per day for a scooter and 60,000 for an enduro. Traffic is rather scarce near the town and virtually nonexistent farther out from it. It almost exclusively consists of bikes and tuk-tuks who drive slowly and carefully as a rule. Hence it’s safe to drive around. If you can’t or don’t want to drive, you can still move around in tuk-tuks. The standard price between our village and the town (2 km) was 10,000 ariary. You can estimate the cost of longer trips accordingly. There is a permanent tuk-tuk rank in front of the park by the port, and you can easily stop one along the main road anywhere within a 10 or so km radius of town. You’ll be better off fixing a regular driver to call up anytime and pre-arrange your trips for lower prices.

On the lagoon’s southern shore, there is a pirate cemetery, apparently the island’s most renowned sight. the 35,000 ariary ticket ludicrously expensive for what it is. The locals cash in on the pirate theme. The place is relatively laid. back. But please renumber digging around the three cemeteries is no no. Most of pirate settlement is buried in the high school and rows of hoses have the main road over the top. The other part of pirate village now has a cemetery on top and well as a church. Another ILL ex Forbans has graves on it. In essence there are three cemetaries. That are archaeological sites.

Crow
 
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I love it when Crow gets his beak stuck into something....🐦 the amount of enthusiasm, knowledge, research and mystery is so enthralling !... Big respect 🏆
 
On the lagoon’s southern shore, there is a pirate cemetery, apparently the island’s most renowned sight. the 35,000 ariary ticket ludicrously expensive for what it is. The locals cash in on the pirate theme. The place is relatively laid. back. But please renumber digging around the three cemeteries is no no. Most of pirate settlement is buried in the high school and rows of hoses have the main road over the top. The other part of pirate village now has a cemetery on top and well as a church. Another ILL ex Forbans has graves on it. In essence there are three cemetaries. That are archaeological sites.
My guess is that there is no treasure on Forbans Island. According to Richard Zacks, Forbans Island has already been thoroughly explored by treasure hunters. 1

Me I would treat the trip as holiday so you would get a feel for the place before trying to get any government involved. There is an old saying time spent in recon is seldom wasted.
I think so too.


I forgot to mention this last time. If pirate treasure is discovered on the island, it will be a big tourism resources. I think it won't be that difficult to get permission to explore if you can explain that well.
 
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I am not so sure with that.

The French archeologist in charge the head of France’s underwater archaeology department, Michel L’Hour who has take charge of archeological site of the behalf of UNESCO and the Government of Madagascar. He is zealot anyone from English speaking background are seen as treasure hunters. Even In May 2015, explorer Barry Clifford claimed to have discovered a silver bar believed to be part of the treasure of the infamous pirate Captain William Kidd, off the coast of Sainte Marie island, Madagascar. However, UNESCO dismissed Clifford's claims, stating the "silver" was actually lead and the shipwreck was likely rubble from port construction.

The UN cultural body investigated and concluded the "silver" was lead and the shipwreck was not Kidd's ship.
UNESCO criticized Clifford for not having a professional archaeologist supervise the dive and for a media-driven approach that disregarded proper archaeological procedures. Clifford defended his work, arguing that UNESCO's investigation was biased and that he adheres to high archaeological standards. Michel L’Hour has now control over the site of behalf of UNESCO who funds protection and venture and management on behalf of the Government of Madagascar. It is he that overseas any potential archeological excavations on behalf of the UNESCO World Heritage site.

Crow
 
Interesting history anyway, it will be there for decades to come.
 
GREAT REPORTS Crow
 
I am not so sure with that.

The French archeologist in charge the head of France’s underwater archaeology department, Michel L’Hour who has take charge of archeological site of the behalf of UNESCO and the Government of Madagascar. He is zealot anyone from English speaking background are seen as treasure hunters. Even In May 2015, explorer Barry Clifford claimed to have discovered a silver bar believed to be part of the treasure of the infamous pirate Captain William Kidd, off the coast of Sainte Marie island, Madagascar. However, UNESCO dismissed Clifford's claims, stating the "silver" was actually lead and the shipwreck was likely rubble from port construction.

The UN cultural body investigated and concluded the "silver" was lead and the shipwreck was not Kidd's ship.
UNESCO criticized Clifford for not having a professional archaeologist supervise the dive and for a media-driven approach that disregarded proper archaeological procedures. Clifford defended his work, arguing that UNESCO's investigation was biased and that he adheres to high archaeological standards. Michel L’Hour has now control over the site of behalf of UNESCO who funds protection and venture and management on behalf of the Government of Madagascar. It is he that overseas any potential archeological excavations on behalf of the UNESCO World Heritage site.

Crow
I wanna go too!
 
From memory - the victory - was sunk at st Marie, source via depositions, due to not being seaworthy after its voyage back from coast of India, also mentioned, by concerns of abandoning ship midway
 
As for the journey of the Cabo, that was documented by the Viceroy of Goa, and published in ‘le Mecure’ may 1722, detailing number of canon going overboard to reduce weight, broken rudder and so on
 

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