Season 5

[Eldo]

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Otto Skorzeny and the Last Crusade

 

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[gazzahk]

all the evidence the team have been able to compile thus far points to it being AT LEAST 600 years old, if not older

My understanding of testing lead (limited as it is) all you can establish is the date the lead was first smelted not the age it was melted last. So the most they could establish is that the lead was first made 600 years ago.. Not the cross was made. If someone melted a 600 year old musket ball and made the cross 20 years ago they would not be able to establish.

 

[gazzahk]

Describing the cross as “extraordinary”, he said: “I think the cross that we found, which was extraordinary and we’re still doing testing on it — we can’t seem to find any evidence of a cross of that shape or construction that is any more recent than the 1300s or earlier....

If the dating they are doing is based on this line of reasoning.. Then that is not testing it is just unsupported assertion/speculation. As far as I have seen they have not even established that it is a cross and not just a cross shaped piece of lead that fell of something else... A more plausible reason of why they cannot find other crosses like that is because none we ever made..

 

[Robot]

Get The Lead...Out!

If the dating they are doing is based on this line of reasoning.. Then that is not testing it is just unsupported assertion/speculation. As far as I have seen they have not even established that it is a cross and not just a cross shaped piece of lead that fell of something else... A more plausible reason of why they cannot find other crosses like that is because none we ever made..

Following this Thread...http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/575165-i-just-knew-someone-would-do.html

Someone appears to have found a similar cross on the beach of Lake Ontario...Canada.



Could there have been a "Mass Production" of this Cross?

 

[Dave Rishar]

Could there have been a "Mass Production" of this Cross?

While the size appears to be about the same and the asymmetric arms are intriguing, the two crosses are different enough to make me think that they weren't made by the same person, or at least not from the same mold. Namely:

The Oak Island cross's arms are lined up well with each other. The Niagara cross is not, and appears to be of lower overall quality.

The Oak Island cross's hole appears to have been punched with something having a square cross section. The Niagara cross's hole seems to have been punched with something round. It is even possible that the hole is as-cast, but I would expect the edges to be more rounded if that was the case.

In both cases, the craftsmanship is pretty much garbage. They both look like things made by children. That's the most curious thing about these for me. I'd expect someone going through the trouble of making a symbol representing the creator of their universe and the savior of mankind to spend another minute or two at least making the thing roughly symmetrical.

 

[Dave Rishar]

My understanding of testing lead (limited as it is) all you can establish is the date the lead was first smelted not the age it was melted last. So the most they could establish is that the lead was first made 600 years ago.. Not the cross was made. If someone melted a 600 year old musket ball and made the cross 20 years ago they would not be able to establish.

I'm not sure that lead can be reliably dated at all, but I'm only familiar with radiometric dating. Is there another way to date it besides forensic evidence?

 

[gazzahk]

I'm not sure that lead can be reliably dated at all, but I'm only familiar with radiometric dating. Is there another way to date it besides forensic evidence?

The other way I read they can date lead artifacts is voltammetry analysis

https://cen.acs.org/articles/89/web/2011/06/Lead-Artifacts-Reveal-Age.html

They claim it is accurate to 150 years..

 

[Slowtaknow]

The ark of the covenant is buried there i tell ya.

 

[Dave Rishar]

The other way I read they can date lead artifacts is voltammetry analysis

https://cen.acs.org/articles/89/web/2011/06/Lead-Artifacts-Reveal-Age.html

They claim it is accurate to 150 years..

They're peddling horse apples. Dating an object based on corrosion is accurate for one item, in one exact place, at one exact time. It cannot be extrapolated to other artifacts.

Not trying to be an ass, but I'm a detectorist. Assuming that two items of the same or similar metals will corrode the same way in anything other than an extremely controlled artificial environment strikes me as folly. I may be talking out my rear end here, but this approach seems logically flawed.

 

[gazzahk]

They're peddling horse apples. Dating an object based on corrosion is accurate for one item, in one exact place, at one exact time. It cannot be extrapolated to other artifacts.

Not trying to be an ass, but I'm a detectorist. Assuming that two items of the same or similar metals will corrode the same way in anything other than an extremely controlled artificial environment strikes me as folly. I may be talking out my rear end here, but this approach seems logically flawed.

You may be right. It is not a subject I have any first hand knowledge of..

If you google it (voltammetry analysis for dating lead) there are lots of reputable sources

For example

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.469.8045&rep=rep1&type=pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21604737
Measurement of corrosion content of archaeological lead artifacts by their Meissner response in the superconducting state; a new dating method - IOPscience

Still I do not know anything about dating stuff so am only basing this on what comes up when you search for how to date lead objects.

 

[gazzahk]

found a similar cross on the beach of Lake Ontario...Canada.

Could there have been a "Mass Production" of this Cross?

Ha ha... They will find they where made and worn by some Canadian Christian group at some point of modern history...