SEASON 8

[gazzahk]

Ya'll know it is a tv show right? I'd think that everyone on it realizes that not everything they find is treasure related but because they are part of the tv show about searching for treasure they have to do certain things to keep the show interesting for the majority of the people watching. You can bet money that most of the people watching have never been on this forum and never done any of their own research into any of it... You might say they are naïve or stupid or whatever but it keeps the show going, which helps fund the searches. Heck the Lagina crew might not believe there is any treasure at this point but they can't say that on the show till they are ready for it to end... They have to play up any finds or it would be extremely boring to watch.
Think about it. Gary finds a hit. Rick digs it up. Hands it to Gary and he says It's a coin and puts it in his pocket and moves on to next spot. Finds a ox show, or a nail, hinge, etc and just puts it in his pocket never to be seen or talked about again, who wants to watch that... They have to play that up.
and yes they have talked about people living and farming on the island but that isn't something you make a show about...

yep.. you are right.

They are making a show to entertain.. Not a documentary...

 

[DaveVanP]

You might say they are naïve or stupid or whatever but it keeps the show going, which helps fund the searches. Heck the Lagina crew might not believe there is any treasure at this point but they can't say that on the show till they are ready for it to end... They have to play up any finds or it

What is insulting is that the producers believe the VIEWERS are stupid, and gullible enough to accept their hare-brained stories as "plausible explanations".
I must admit I watch only to see how far over the top they can get. I suppose that qualifies it as "entertainment" - but then again so were the "Pirates of the Caribbean" series of films which relies on much of the same source material - in fact it appears "PotC" could BE the source material for "Curse of Oak Island".

 

[n2mini]

They are documenting what they find. Sure they are always trying to tie it to a treasure some how ( tv part ) but what it is and how old it is, is real for the most part... That is more then anyone else before them has done. Regardless of what you think about the show or the possibility of treasure ever having been there that the wood structures down by the water is pretty interesting to think that mainland is only a few hundred feet away so why not do whatever your doing there, and whatever is really going on or has gone on in the swamp...
Most of all those dates if correct are well before the original 3 did whatever they did or didn't do... So they are not searcher related they predate any of that...
I can't find it anywhere but what are the dates of a Brick Factory being on Oak Island?

 

[Mike Mercury]

They are making a show to entertain.. Not a documentary...

EXACTLY.

This is not an after-the-fact National Geographic special "The finding of Tuts Tomb". OI is about the search - before the find (with no promises there will ever be a find).

 

[MikeN]

There's this interesting observation from Gordon Fader: "It is highly unlikely that the swamp was ever used as a ship docking facility as sea level was far too low to allow passage into the swamp and that condition worsens the further one goes back in time".

But why was such a substantial roadway needed if not to transport goods to or from a sea port?

Or one could also say "There goes all hope of the sunken Spanish Galleon". But at the same time you could say that the road was used to transport treasure from the grounded Spanish Galleon to a sea port on another part of the island or dump it into the money pit.

 

[freeman]

So much for the BS being handing out that Sam Ball was rich or found the treasure.....

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[gazzahk]

But why was such a substantial roadway needed if not to transport goods to or from a sea port?

Maybe to help with the moving of trees around as part of the naval stores operation the J.Steele believes existed there. This seems much more plausible then the idea that anyone would build a road to unload treasure of a boat to be buried.

If they had slaves building a road over the swampy ground would of been pretty easy..

 

[gazzahk]

EXACTLY.

This is not an after-the-fact National Geographic special "The finding of Tuts Tomb". OI is about the search - before the find (with no promises there will ever be a find).

They are no longer seeking to find buried treasure... That was given up at the end of season 5 when they proved no treasure was buried in the area of the money pit with the pattern drilling and metal detecting of the drill holes.

I do not understand how anyone can still believe they are looking for treasure or that the Laginas believe that treasure may be buried there...

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

There's this interesting observation from Gordon Fader: "It is highly unlikely that the swamp was ever used as a ship docking facility as sea level was far too low to allow passage into the swamp and that condition worsens the further one goes back in time".

But why was such a substantial roadway needed if not to transport goods to or from a sea port?

Or one could also say "There goes all hope of the sunken Spanish Galleon". But at the same time you could say that the road was used to transport treasure from the grounded Spanish Galleon to a sea port on another part of the island or dump it into the money pit.

Another fantastical fictional assumption....it’s a proven fact a money pit nor treasure in it ever existed...

 

[MikeN]

Maybe to help with the moving of trees around as part of the naval stores operation the J.Steele believes existed there. This seems much more plausible then the idea that anyone would build a road to unload treasure of a boat to be buried.

If they had slaves building a road over the swampy ground would of been pretty easy..

There's still the flow of product that doesn't match: "We're harvesting all these old growth trees for ship masts and pine tar. Let's move the logs down this hill to the sea. Then when the ships come into port to pick them up, let's transport them back over the hill to the port."

 

[MikeN]

So much for the BS being handing out that Sam Ball was rich or found the treasure.....

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What is the context of this quote? Was Samuel Ball the cited negro? Was this about Oak Island, NS? What was the date?

 

[n2mini]

So much for the BS being handing out that Sam Ball was rich or found the treasure.....

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what is a "funny freak"

 

[gazzahk]

There's still the flow of product that doesn't match: "We're harvesting all these old growth trees for ship masts and pine tar. Let's move the logs down this hill to the sea. Then when the ships come into port to pick them up, let's transport them back over the hill to the port."

This is the problem with only fragments of what is left. Maybe they had some type of processing setup there ie a saw mill. Maybe they were floating logs across from the mainland and then transporting up to the tar kilns. It is very difficult to know. However one would assume that in order to go to the effort of making a stone road they had a reason for using it for a reasonable period of time. As with Smiths Cove the evidence suggests that Oak Island was used for a significant human industry undertaking at some time in the past. Those structures that have been found in places like Smiths Cove support people being engaged in something for a reasonable period of time. Building some stone raised roads through swampy land seems to suggest that they needed to move something heavy over an extended period of time. My guess would be trees..

 

[ECS]

what is a "funny freak"

British slang for a baseless peculiar obsession.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

At least now it seems that most understand that the money pit and treasure never existed.

Oak island was just another common area of human habitation....

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

British slang for a baseless peculiar obsession.

The Brits (and Aussies) have some interesting slang or used to for example "stuffed" that got Crocodile Dundee an R rating in Austrailia, how do I know? When I was at a dinner party in Sydney back in 1982 I was asked if I wanted any more Roo, only kidding it was normal food, I said "no I am stuffed" and all the women (in their 50's and 60's) gasped, turns out it was what we call the "F" word....

 

[MikeN]

Spoiler for this week's show:


In the swamp, they find more wooden surveyor stakes 1719-1826 and 1636-1684. (they were found next to each other) The stone road may branch off in a 'Y'. Could there be two money pits? Also the find puddled clay. The same type of clay as found in the money pit? To expedite mapping the road path, they enlist Gary to locate targets indicating human artifacts to save digging out the entire road. [ Why isn't Gary using his super duper 50 foot deep detector though? ] They do find a sawed off bolt in a drilled stone. It was confirmed by Tom Nolan to be the sawed off ring bolt from Fred's discovery 50 years ago. It could be leading them to a major breakthrough discovery! Block and tackle anchor? A tent stake for a large tent?

At the money pit, they continue mapping the tunnel at 86.5 feet: 6 out of 6 tries. Will they eventually drill into the Chappell Vault?

Near the pine tar pit, they find some oblong pieces of iron in a mysterious mound. Ancient pieces of rail? But they were likely legs from an English signal cannon. Did it blow up? Was it used to protect something of great value? Or are they pieces of the steam engine that exploded at the money pit?

 

[gazzahk]

Was it used to protect something of great value? Or are they pieces of the steam engine that exploded at the money pit?

Must be part of the rail road the Knights Templar made to transport the treasure to the pit...

 

[gazzahk]

Spoiler for this week's show:


In the swamp, they find more wooden surveyor stakes 1719-1826 and 1636-1684. (they were found next to each other) The stone road may branch off in a 'Y'. Could there be two money pits? Also the find puddled clay. The same type of clay as found in the money pit? To expedite mapping the road path, they enlist Gary to locate targets indicating human artifacts to save digging out the entire road. [ Why isn't Gary using his super duper 50 foot deep detector though? ] They do find a sawed off bolt in a drilled stone. It was confirmed by Tom Nolan to be the sawed off ring bolt from Fred's discovery 50 years ago. It could be leading them to a major breakthrough discovery! Block and tackle anchor? A tent stake for a large tent?

At the money pit, they continue mapping the tunnel at 86.5 feet: 6 out of 6 tries. Will they eventually drill into the Chappell Vault?

Near the pine tar pit, they find some oblong pieces of iron in a mysterious mound. Ancient pieces of rail? But they were likely legs from an English signal cannon. Did it blow up? Was it used to protect something of great value? Or are they pieces of the steam engine that exploded at the money pit?

Thanks Mike..

You do wonder when they have to admit that a network of stone roads through swampy ground is not something people build before hiding their treasure..

If the stakes were found next to each other would suggest they were put there at or later then latest date.. Still no one is questioning that Oak Island has had human activity on it for a few hundred years at least.

The drilling is just silly... What are they doing drilling one hole in a week and then waiting another week before drilling another hole that shows nothing. How far away can the money pit be from all the holes they have dug?

 

[n2mini]

I do hope you realize they are drilling holes everyday and we only see which ones they want us to each week. They are not drilling a hole live for us on Tuesday nights and then waiting a week to do it again...
I know some of ya'll have claimed that the stone road thru the swamp has been found before. Was it completely uncovered as they are doing or just a small area found?
As you could see last night that parts of it as 4' below surface and unless there has been some backfilling going on there that would mean that it would take 100's of years for that much sediment to accumulate.. Hence the dates of the survey stakes. Which would also most likely mean that most of that road has not been uncovered before..