SEASON 8

[MikeN]

Maintenance was performed on ships on hoax island. Nothing new there.....probably all kinds of garbage left over along with ox shoes....

The ship repair company failed to repair their last project. The ship sunk in the swamp overnight so the ship repair and maintenance company quietly went out of business, since they didn't have insurance to cover the cargo of gold.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

The ship repair company failed to repair their last project. The ship sunk in the swamp overnight so the ship repair and maintenance company quietly went out of business, since they didn't have insurance to cover the cargo of gold.

Was the ship overloaded with bobby dazzlers and ox shoes?

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

SingleStack... Oak Island is a Templar Bunker to protect from the air-raids from UFO's.

Love your "signature" btw...

What a way to get the "last word" in.

heh

Come’on man! Enough with the ufo’s......hoax island already has a space/time warp tunnel....

 

[ARC]

Hmmm was there a Star Trek episode where they landed on Oak Island... then fell in a well... and had to be beamed up ? ? ?

Hmmm were there some round furry creatures.. ? ? ?

Bah... more Rum.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Go and read some of Julius Caesar's letters. He explains quite eloquently that the Welsh Navy was more prepared and more equipped to sail rough seas than the Roman Navy.

Now that is interesting. In 55-47 BC there was no "nation" of Wales. Just seperate tribes. The Romans were able to arrive on the beaches and leave unmollested. If there was a Navy of Wales they didn't have the thought to engage the Romans at sea. Caesar did mention the hide coracles as being handy to cross rivers. As they were light enough for a soldier to carry. One soldier. Hardly sounds like a sea-fairing vessel.

https://theodora.com/encyclopedia/c2/coracle.html

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00253359.1936.10657170?journalCode=rmir20

 

[franklin]

I read Caesar's Commentaries in Latin, and he NEVER mentioned a Welsh navy., nor did he ever go into Wales
Please cite that passage from which you base your statement.
Ralph de Sudeley's alleged voyage is based, like Muir's Sinclair voyage, on a fictional work, The Cremona Document and Onteora Document, which Donald Huh and Zena Halpern created their pseudo history version.
Ralph de Sudeley is best known for having a "museum" on his estate containing "HOLY RELICS" for which he charged admission.
I remember someone mentioning his son, Oteul, was the old spelling of their last name, a subtle, but wrong claim of descendance.
If people crossed the Atlantic 5000 years before Arthur's 6rh century, please provide the source of this "history changing" information, AND, what no one ever mentions, the type of vessels capable of making this voyage.

As far as you have to go is to Lake Michigan and look at over 10,000 copper mines and the thousands and even millions of tons of copper mined there thousands of years before Christ was born.

 

[ECS]

Now that is interesting. In 55-47 BC there was no "nation" of Wales. Just seperate tribes. The Romans were able to arrive on the beaches and leave unmollested. If there was a Navy of Wales they didn't have the thought to engage the Romans at sea. Caesar did mention the hide coracles as being handy to cross rivers. As they were light enough for a soldier to carry. One soldier. Hardly sounds like a sea-fairing vessel...

Caesar also mentioned the local barbarian warriors he and his Legion encountered in Britania were painted blue from woad leaves.
The original Blue Man Group.

 

[ECS]

As far as you have to go is to Lake Michigan and look at over 10,000 copper mines and the thousands and even millions of tons of copper mined there thousands of years before Christ was born.

Yes, there were copper mines on Keweenaw Peninsula on Lake Michigan dug by indigenous Native Americans of that period, not by Welsh, or any Europeans.
They made tools, beads, bracelets, fishhooks, and trade items from the copper, and Keweenaw copper has be found throughout the Midwest in burial mounds constructed by Native Americans.
Thanks Franklin, for another example on how an actual fact can be manipulated into a fabricated false version of history where BCE Europeans crossed the Atlantic to mine copper and other metals in America.
A real history timeline 4000-2001BCE
www.fsmitha.com/time/bc1.htm
Notice there is NO mention of voyages crossing the Atlantic 5000 years before your (Wilson & Blackett) claim 6th century King Arthur of legend.

 

[Crow]

Why would any 6TH century Welsh tribes risk traveling halfway around the world making hazardous ocean journey across the north Atlantic. Then trek hundreds of miles through virtual wilderness to mine copper near Lake Michigan ? When they had shallow copper deposits Parys mountain and Great Orme less than 10-30 miles from them? Those two mines there as well as others was more than enough to supply and demand needs of 6th Britain and more so.



Totally illogical and ignorant.

Crow

 

[franklin]

Yes, there were copper mines on Keweenaw Peninsula on Lake Michigan dug by indigenous Native Americans of that period, not by Welsh, or any Europeans.
They made tools, beads, bracelets, fishhooks, and trade items from the copper, and Keweenaw copper has be found throughout the Midwest in burial mounds constructed by Native Americans.
Thanks Franklin, for another example on how an actual fact can be manipulated into a fabricated false version of history where BCE Europeans crossed the Atlantic to mine copper and other metals in America.
A real history timeline 4000-2001BCE
World History Timeline: 4000 to 2001 BCE (BC)
Notice there is NO mention of voyages crossing the Atlantic 5000 years before your (Wilson & Blackett) claim 6th century King Arthur of legend.

The Native Indians never mined millions of tons of copper. If they did they were working for the Europeans.

 

[franklin]

Why would any 6TH century Welsh tribes risk traveling halfway around the world making hazardous ocean journey across the north Atlantic. Then trek hundreds of miles through virtual wilderness to mine copper near Lake Michigan ? When they had shallow copper deposits Parys mountain and Great Orme less than 10-30 miles from them? Those two mines there as well as others was more than enough to supply and demand needs of 6th Britain and more so.



Totally illogical and ignorant.

Crow

They came over here to live and most did not go back home.

 

[DaveVanP]

I hope someone with real professional credentials in marine history and marine archaeology explain what type of ship was available to 14th century Henry Sinclair that could make a voyage across the Atlantic.

Not a "professional", but I did dedicate several years in work and study in this field (ECU called it "Maritime Studies", but it was actually Naval Archaeology and History). I assisted (as a student) in locating the Hunley in Charleston Harbor, and Teach's Queen Anne's Revenge near Topsail Inlet, Beaufort NC.

In the early 14th Century, the most common European vessel possibly capable of trans-oceanic travel was the Cog, a single-masted vessel of about 100-150 tons (approx 100-150 cubic metres) with a crew of between 25-30 men. (I say "capable" meaning "possible" - in the same way that its has been proven that it is "possible" to cross the Atlantic in a kayak, even a bathtub, as both have been done.) Another vessel of that time was the "Hulk" (200-300 tons), which was larger, but flat-bottomed and without a keel it was suitable only for coastal and inland waterways. Both were used as transport along the Baltic, North Sea, English Channel, and capable of coastal travel around the Iberian Peninsula from western Europe, through the Atlantic to the Mediterranean. They were a development of the northern European/Norse knarr (25-30 tons). The greatest limitation for open-sea travel was the lack of space for supplies to survive a long voyage without landing for re-supply of food and fresh water. Loading such a ship with enough provisions to last 6-8 weeks required to travel across the Atlantic would prevent the carrying of much cargo or passengers. They would evolve into the much larger carrack and caravel used by explorers in the latter half of the 15th Century.

Galleys and dhows were in use in much of the Mediterranean, but again, not suitable for making extended voyages due to their shallow draft, and physical size limiting the amount of food and supplies needed to survive a voyage of many weeks away from land.

 

[DaveVanP]

They came over here to live and most did not go back home.

Hence the facetious legends of the Mandan Indians "speaking Welsh"...

 

[DaveVanP]

One of the reasons Columbus was convinced he could reach "the Indies" by sailing west is because of legends of those doing it decades or centuries before - specifically stating they had reached China and "Hapon" itself... yet none mention they had to cross an another continent, and sail another ocean to do so. Columbus showed that those "legends" were false (although he went to his grave still believing he had reached Asia) - or at least, they left a LOT out, including such things that were even MORE strange and exotic than what could be found in "the Indies".

 

[ECS]

The Native Indians never mined millions of tons of copper.
If they did they were working for the Europeans.

https://www.nps.gov/kewe/learn/historyculture/copper-mining-timeline.htm
Franklin, just read the first paragraph. NO WELSH, NO white European copper mines, just Native Americans 7000 years ago.
The Native American OLD COPPER CULTURE of the Great Lakes is the oldest metal working people on Earth.
Why do you promote this white Eurocentric belief that indigenous Native Americans had no culture and to either be taught or worked for the much more intelligent white Europeans?
This nonsense pseudo history you continue to post without any supporting facts beyond your favorite quasi historians charlatans serves NO purpose, but is insulting to real history and historians.
Why do you continue to embarrass yourself by posting this easily proven wrong rubbish?

 

[DaveVanP]

Apparently our friend is an adherent of the theory of it is the "white man's burden" to "educate, elevate, and ultimately, dominate" those lesser races of dark skin, since they are too stupid and unsophisticated to elevate themselves. Joseph Smith explained the many Mounds and pyramids built in the Americas (and the "Red Indian") as artifacts of ancient Israelites. Darwin theorized how it came to be that the superior Anglo-Saxon "race" evolved from the "lesser races". The 19th Century had many instances in which the British and other European countries, as well American governments felt the obligation to "Christianize and civilize" such "heathen savages" as found in India, Africa, the western U.S., China, and the Philippines.

 

[Crow]

Here is a interesting link below

Crow




https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/20/uk/welsh-americas-history-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[gazzahk]

 

[gazzahk]

 

[franklin]

Hence the facetious legends of the Mandan Indians "speaking Welsh"...

Like your famous quote: " I assisted (as a student) in locating the Hunley in Charleston Harbor, and Teach's Queen Anne's Revenge near Topsail Inlet, Beaufort NC." You did not have to help locate the Hundley in Charleston Harbor? E. Lee Spence had already located that years earlier while he was teenager. Probably located the "Queens Ann Revenge" too. I purchased his books and nautical charts years ago and re-sold them. E. Lee Spence located hundreds of ships off the coast of South Carolina. So find you another ship located and go find it, claiming you helped locate it. I know better.