Slate point?

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Hey all,

Just returning from a quick hunt on my day off. Is this a point, or a good faker? It was found on a site that produces. If it is, I’ve never found a slate point before!

Thanks and hope you all had a nice holiday.

BrettCo
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Hey all,

Just returning from a quick hunt on my day off. Is this a point, or a good faker? It was found on a site that produces. If it is, I’ve never found a slate point before!

Thanks and hope you all had a nice holiday.

BrettCo
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I'm certainly far from an expert so hopefully someone more knowledgeable than myself chimes in but to me it just looks like a flake off a larger piece of slate I could be totally wrong though
 

I'm going with a good faker.
 

Ahhh no!!! Lol. Well, I wish I could post a video on here because what I can say (that the photos don’t show) is perfectly symmetrical sides. It gets slightly fat towards the middle ( hardly noticeable, but it does), and then comes to an edge, just like a point. I do see some type of “flaking”, but again, I’ve never seen a slate point before, but I’ve heard it’s difficult to work with.

I’m still hopeful... it’s VERY convincing if you were able to actually hold it and look at it. I know Mother Nature can do that quite often, but with those things in mind, any other thoughts?
 

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Could be , I have found a few made from similar material that are really worn down as well are you sure it’s not made from Argillite ?
 

It definitely could be argillite! Ask John, He’ll tell you how much I suck with identifying material lol. If it’s not jasper, Im lost lol. I wish I could know for sure so I don’t put it in the rock garden lol
 

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I see what you talking about on the one side .... looks like it’s worked and has flaking towards the tip, I would prob hold onto it. I found all these on the Bohemia River they definitely were made from a inferior material when compared to flint or jasper and you can tell they spent a long time in the river
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I agree, it looks like flaking on the tip and I've found a number of poorly made crude points... but that base just doesn't cut it for me. I'm sticking with good faker, but I could be wrong. I would just hold on to it... I have a number of questionable pieces that might or might not be something, haha... Just can't bare to throw them away!
 

I found some in shale, which is related to slate that were made this way. That was a long time ago, and I don't have them anymore. I think yours is ok.
 

Sorry, i am not seeing an artifact there, just a pointed rock.
 

I see what you talking about on the one side .... looks like it’s worked and has flaking towards the tip, I would prob hold onto it. I found all these on the Bohemia River they definitely were made from a inferior material when compared to flint or jasper and you can tell they spent a long time in the river
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This came from Bohemia river as well! The more I look at it, the more I’m seeing symmetry on either side, as well as noticing flaking. It’s worked. I’m going to hang on to it and have others evaluate it who can physically hold it. But I’m pretty convinced now.

I even watched some videos of slate and shale artifacts, all of which appear to have similar flaking.
 

Well, let's deal with the material first. The two main sources of argillite in the Northeast are Lockatong Argillite from NJ/Pa, which from a geological perspective, is actually argillaceous shale. The other source of argillite is southern New England, where I live and hunt. The argillite found here is actually argillaceous slate. More fine grained then Lockatong. Our argillite patinates greenish grey or blue grey. It closely resembles the slate found in the Carolina slate belt, as far as how it patinates.

If I found your piece up here, no question it's one of the varieties of southern New England argillite, or argillaceous slate. That type of argillite is a pretty inferior lithic, and I've photographed some crudely fashioned points to demonstrate its inferior nature. Most of these are also water worn, and it shows:

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The last photo above is a Stark point, Middle Archaic. And that brings us to the question of what you found. I can only answer for myself. There may be some damage to your piece, I am not holding it in hand, but, if I found it up here it would be an argillite Stark point. IMHO of course. I am used to that crude lithic, and it really seems obvious enough to me.

Here are some Stark points. That's a New England type name. Stark points can be considered a typological analog to Morrow Mountain points from the Mid Atlantic and further south:

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The first piece in the top row of that photo is argillite, as is the 2nd and 4th piece in the bottom row. In your piece I can see the rudimentary flaking characteristic of argillaceous slate, and it looks like a point to my eyes. I guess I'd prefer to hold it in hand to eliminate flake, but especially in the tip area, it seems pretty obvious to me. Other then quartz, it's the most common material I find in Rhode Island....

I've gone over all your photos again. That is the type of argillite I indicated. Argillaceous slate. And it shows the type of flaking I see with such material all the time. I cannot be certain if the stem has any damage, which might alter the actual type, but I can say if I found it up here, there would be no doubt in my mind that I had found a point. I've been picking up points made from that lithic for decades.
 

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Another photo of both sides of an argillaceous slate variety of New England argillite, to demonstrate the minimal flaking that is often characteristic of this particular lithic:

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I’d say it strongly resembles the stark type points , good info Charl
 

Great information, Charl. Much appreciated. I watched a YouTube video last night of someone finding that type of a point, and that’s what made me pick it up this morning when I saw it. The look of the stone mixed with the flaking makes it pretty obvious when you see it.

I questioned it just because it is so different than other points I’ve found before. You pretty much confirmed it for me. It’s a point.

What’s up with the base, though? Is that it? Or is it broken?

Thanks everyone for your input and opinions. That’s what makes this forum so strong. Much appreciated.
 

Wow, good stuff! What's interesting is that I'm used to finding lockatong argillite... many points get so worn, they don't look like points which in turn makes most people (who aren't around that lithic) state that real points aren't points... haha... Now I'm guilty of it. Thanks, argillaceous slate.
 

Wow, good stuff! What's interesting is that I'm used to finding lockatong argillite... many points get so worn, they don't look like points which in turn makes most people (who aren't around that lithic) state that real points aren't points... haha... Now I'm guilty of it. Thanks, argillaceous slate.

Yep, lol. We find Lockatong up here as well. For whatever reason, the Fox Creek folks in particular favored that lithic, and imported it up here. I have never seen a lithic that weathers so thoroughly as Lockatong. I assume it must have been a decent lithic when used, but yeah, it's often the case that every lick of flaking has weathered off, even with the more recent styles, like Fox Creek points, which are only Middle Woodland after all. This is why I decided to show several points made of our grade of argillite, so folks could see how poor a lithic it really was.
 

Thats a tough one for sure could go either way. I have found some ugly ones that Im just not sure especially the grainy types of quartzite they get real creek worn and erase the flaking and have nothing but the shape left.
 

You’d need to hold it and see it in person to really judge, but from what I’ve researched when I returned home, when it comes to slate/shale, this resembles them identically. It’s just broke/chipped around the base. You’d see worked edges if you could hold it in your hands and it’s symmetrical in shape and width, but it is definitely tough to see in pictures.

Especially after seeing Charl’s photos, I declared it a point lol.

Thanks for looking!
 

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