✅ SOLVED Test your skills on this one! Spent years trying to ID this.

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I found this in Alaska about 10 years ago, and have never been able to ID it. It is an aluminum piece, about 3 inches square. It has 15 teeth and is numbered 1-15. There is a stop preventing it from spinning freely. The back has two tabs that may have been used to mount it. ANY GUESSES?

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MC

PS The quarter used for size was found yesterday! 1935S Yeah!
 

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Whew! I'm glad that's cleared up!

Sorry 'bout that.

My Alaskan brother has been coaching me on this patent stuff via e-mail. Although I'm the one who found the pool playing thing and not him. Anyway, he wanted me to pass on to everyone who's interested that the patent numbers 2,000,000 thru 3,000,000 cover most of the patents in the 1940s and 50s. And you can go from there in any direction. He's currently working on a program that will group together every "Tally" - "Counting" type of device ever invented.

Bob

P.S. I honestly don't think this is the item - but I couldn't pass up the 0 thru 15.
 

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My brother found another chicken/egg thing, and I promised to post it for him.

He and I both agree it's just another "wanna-be," but wanted to share it anyway.

The only problem is, I can't get a descent link to stick. But the U.S. Patent number is ...

1885072

Bob and Mike
 

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SODABOTTLEBOB said:
My brother found another chicken/egg thing, and I promised to post it for him.

He and I both agree it's just another "wanna-be," but wanted to share it anyway.

The only problem is, I can't get a descent link to stick. But the U.S. Patent number is ...

1885072

Bob and Mike
Wow this one attached to the hen. http://www.google.com/patents?id=WS1YAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=patent:1885072&source
=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
 

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Thanks BigCy ~

For some reason I have a problem with PDF stuff.

But the main reason for this post is to see if anyone has discovered yet what all these egg counting things are made of? Aluminum? Tin? Metal? I did some reading of my own, but I may have missed something.

Thanks,

Bob
 

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Bob - that was something I noticed and liked about the patent I linked above. It said "and which wheel may be conveniently struck from a piece of sheet metal..."

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Because it fits on a cage so well, its most likely an egg counter. It also counts one number at a time per day. Is there any importance to having a 2 week egg count?

You would think these cheap metal counters would still be made today but everythings plastic and electronic.

I think we can rule out important counters, such as would be in surveying, but an egg counter would not be as disasterous if it somehow slipped off the number.
 

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BigCy ~

As soon as my dad wakes up I will ask him about the two week thing. But he did say, (if his 88 year old memory serves him correctly) he remembers something about a "keeper" hen laying 270 eggs a year.

Also, I still can't get a PDF link to stick, but I'm sure you will be interested in seeing the "Egg Counter" patent I found. But this time, instead of focusing on the dial, please notice the "tabs" on the back of this one. This establishes that these sort of items did in fact have bendable tabs. It clearly states in the text that it was designed to attach to a wire poultry cage. Here's the serial number ... and maybe you could post a link to it since I'm too dumb to figure it out. If I say PDF one more time, I'm going to pull my hair out!

USP# 2787420 1957

Thanks, and let us know what you think of those tabs.

Bob
 

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SODABOTTLEBOB said:
Here's one of those crazy links to the "Egg Counter" with the bendable tabs.

I apologize if not everyone can open it, but it's the best I can come up with.

Bob

http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid...&SectionNum=&idkey=NONE&Input=View+first+page

Makes you wonder if these egg counters became obsolete shortly after they were invented or if they ever were massproduced :dontknow: If it took one counter per cage you would think we could find many other examples :D

Patent 2,787,420 posted by Bob:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=f5...gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
 

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IronSpike ~

Thanks.

I'm changing Patent sites right now! The one I've been using is too complicated.

I'm a little confused on some of the Philidelphia Lawer language they use in these abstract descriptions. But if I read this one right it refers to parts of this particular device as being made of plastic, and yet it has bendable tabs. :dontknow: Plus it refers to the sprocket part as a "Finger Wheel" which may be a key word for future research.

And as long as we are on the subject of egg counters, check out this next one. It doesn't have a wheel ... and even after studying it, I'm still not sure how it works.

US Patent 2,753,115 1956

I'm going to try IronSpike's patent site and possibly be back with a link to this item.

Bob
 

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Bobs egg counter with bendable tabs.
 

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IronSpike said:
Makes you wonder if these egg counters became obsolete shortly after they were invented or if they ever were massproduced :dontknow: If it took one counter per cage you would think we could find many other examples :D
People must have considered counting their eggs as utmost importance. Heres Bobs next link. One of the inventors names is James Eggink. This design doesnt have the spinning wheel but counts with stairsteps type notches. Special patented bendable tabs. http://www.google.com/patents?q=Patent+++++2,753,115&btnG=Search+Patents
patent eggcounter 1956 eggink.webp patent eggcounter bendable tabs.webp
 

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This item is for the small homestead chicken farmer. Larger poultry operations use larger electronic counters. But this type would make sense being found in a small 50's Alaskan homestead. Someone just needs to show this around to some small time chicken keepers. While their at it, they could ask about that copper tube "found in a chicken coop". http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,198092.0.html I think this is well on its way to being solved. If its not an eggcounter, it should be. ;D
 

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I'm really sorry, folks ... I'm trying to figure out this patent link/image process, but I just can't get a handle on it. Plus, I just spoke with my dad, and although he left the farm in 1942 to join the CBs, his brother continued working it well into the 1960s. Dad's opinion is that during the late 40s and and early 50s, the children, like in the case of my uncle, decided to make some major changes in the way egg ranches were operated.There was no longer time to write down any more stuff than was necessary, thus the increase in inventions. I came across one invention referred to as a "Poultry Handling System, patent # 3706300, that is really just a huge vacuum that sucks chickens from the barns and deposits them in truck cages for transport. Craziest thing I ever heard of! When I was twenty years old I worked at a large commercial ranch for a while, and by the end of the egg gathering run (by means of a golf cart up and down the isles) I would have no less than 50 flats of eggs to store away in the cooler. I hated it, and can still recall that egg smell.

Anyway, here's a couple more egg counter patents. You can't help but wonder how many variations there were. Which is a good thing, I guess, because it adds hope to the item in question as being one of them. But if it wasn't patented, I think we're in big trouble.

Here's those other two designs I found ...

Bob

2474965 (1949) and 2696349 (1954)

P.S. Added: I started patent searching under "egg tally" where Bramblefind's image originally came from, and then switched to "egg counter" where I found most of mine, but have hit a dead end on this so called "egg-roll" with both of them. I'm still convinced our item is hiding somewhere among the millions of patents. I'm going back now to do another search on the pool/billiards possibility. That 14/15? number aspect has to be a clue. :dontknow:
 

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Mel Fisher was a chicken farmer so you are in good company.
 

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I have chores today, and no more time to do what I enjoy most, which is searching through millions of patent files. But if there is someone out there who is looking for something to do, try an exact , "single word" patent search for ...

~ Tally and/or Tallying ~ / ~ Counter and/or Counting ~

I just took a quick peek at them, and it looks like they might produce some interesting stuff. But be sure to leave off the egg/chicken/poultry part and stick with a single word. And unless something jumps out at you, just watch the patent numbers as you scroll through. The 2 and 3 million numbers cover most of the 1940s and 50s. Watch for anything under 4 million.

Here's my current favorite Patent site. Free and (sort of) easy.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

Good luck, and I hope when I return this thing will be solved. Today just might be the day!?

BOB
 

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