✅ SOLVED Test your skills on this one! Spent years trying to ID this.

[musclecar]

I found this in Alaska about 10 years ago, and have never been able to ID it. It is an aluminum piece, about 3 inches square. It has 15 teeth and is numbered 1-15. There is a stop preventing it from spinning freely. The back has two tabs that may have been used to mount it. ANY GUESSES?

Thanks,

MC

PS The quarter used for size was found yesterday! 1935S Yeah!

 

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I'm sure by now many of us have found lots of patents related to "individual" poultry laying nest. But rather than post everyone of them, I'm going to wait until I find one that will actually benifit us here. But mark my words, "there are lots of them!" Many of which have "trap doors."

I've be mainly looking under ... "POULTRY NEST."

But I'm sure other word combinations will also produce some eggs.

BOILEDEGGBOB

P.S. Dad's full of information, if I can just squeeze it out of him. Now he's talking about what they used to call a "Setter." This is a hen that has quit laying, and just sits on the nest all day hoping something will happen. He said these setters were the focus of many a Sunday dinner.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Bob - I think possibly the raising of chickens in individual cages was a concept that came about in the 1950s and might not have lasted much past that decade. I'm not sure though. But I do know that it was a practice to raise the chickens in individual cages at sometime and somewhere.

The patent itself reads:

At the present time cages are used within which hens are individually confined

Well there you go. I like the part where a large New York hotel raises its own chickens on the roof.

 

[Bramblefind]

(Like our man BrambleFind)

I thought you might still have that mixed up!

I am a woman

A Gyno American

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

~ Oops ~

My profoundest apologies!

I'm going to blame it on the poor memory excuse again!

And just to prove my sincerity, here's another gold star for you valuable contributions.

~ * ~

Question: Is there such a thing as "Half of a green check mark?"

I'm not sure I can survive another four years of research!

BUMBLINGIDIOTBOB

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I realize I am not the owner of this thread, ( in fact, I'm not sure who is these days), but I feel so confident this is going to be solved soon, that I just couldn't help but try and push it over the top with this encouraging little addition. Plus, I took a quick peek at the rules and couldn't find where it said this wasn't allowed. So who will it be that eventually finds the missing "Link?" Probably not me, but I'm trying my best!

Bob

HALF SOLVED

 

[Goodyguy]

BigCy ~

This is my dad's opinion. About all I can add to try and answer your question is that this is my dad's recollection, saying all of the egg tallying stuff he remembers was usually based on monthly/yearly records - not weekly. But he does remember with thousands of chickens there were always a bunch of them that needed vaccinations, special feed, or something. He remembers keeping track of that kind of stuff, but they didn't have finger wheels to use, and had to write everything down with pencil and paper. But it may be worth taking a look at. Personally, I still think it's an egg counter! (Seriously).

Thanks,

Bob

P.S. My dad wanted to add, with all due respect, that even though the pointer doesn't go to the 15, the 15 is still there for some reason.

I went back and reread your prior post and yes I agree with your Dad that the process most likely has reached its end at 15 and needs to start over again. It however IMO could just be a number that may rarely be reached. Maybe Im way off but is it possible for a hen on a rare occasion to lay 15 eggs in 2 weeks?

Your Dad indeed has much experience in poultry raising but I am still hoping a 2 week egg counter could be a possibility.

Any luck on the vaccination angle?

The odd thing about the number 15 on the dial is that the only way that the pointer lines up with it, is after the wheel is reset back to the beginning and can be pointed to directly just before going to number one, but not after 14 because the stop prevents it. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,58818.msg1505640.html#msg1505640



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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I'm posting this for my dad in support of his "Trapping Station" idea. He took a look at the print out and said it looks a lot like the invention he remembers from High School. It's called a Trap Nest from 1931. But sorry, no egg counting device yet. By the way, finding this really made my dad's day. He said, "See, I told you there was such a thing!"

Bob

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1822048.pdf


U.S. Patent no. 1,822,048 1929/31

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I realize I am not the owner of this thread, ( in fact, I'm not sure who is these days),

Goodyguy is the owner. He lent it to me for a couple weeks. I need to send it back.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

This link is pretty cool, and basic. It will answer most of the basic questions we have about chickens. It's family friendly too, and even the youngin's will like it.

Bob

http://www.angelfire.com/oh/ZebraDirectory/faq.html#babychicks

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

BigCy ~

Sorry to report I didn't find much on your NFC yet. (Just took a quick look. And never heard of one until now). But I did find something possibly related on one of those Yahoo Ask Questions sites. It's a forum of sorts, and this particular one was posted two days ago. Maybe it's your NFC. (Quote is from a real site).

(But if seriously what to know about them, I will be happy to when I get a minute).

BOO

What Nocturnal animal screams like a child in Florida?

"I live in the suburbs but I was given permission to have a few chickens. The last few nights however, something has been attacking them. Whatever animal it is screams like a child, only attacks at night and must live in Florida (That's where I am). I've never even caught sight of it though because it runs away whenever I come outside."

sounds like a cat.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

With All and Every Respect Peoples - aren't we going a little off subject

yea I was just going to say that. NO more Nocturnal Florida chicken talk here. You can PM me. Im removing my off topic post. 8)

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

"EGG TALLYING DEVICE"

It seems like only yesterday there was talk about post #1000. Now here we are on #1204. Not to menton the 64,377+ views it has received. You can't help but wonder how many combined hours have been devoted to researching this topic. And yet, even with the latest flurry of compelling evidence, there is still no positive identification in the foreseeable forecast. I think it goes without saying that most of us agree by now that it is probably some kind of egg counter or tallying device used in some manner with the poultry industry.

But ...

What if it was never patented?

From what I have learned recently about inventors and patents, it appears that most patents take a couple of years to process before receiving a final approval. We've all seen those "Patent Pending" designations on items. But for some reason our little mystery item doesn't have a patent number stamped on it. My question is, "Why?" I'm sure there are a variety of answers to this question, but the fact still remains, "No patent number!"

The point I'm attempting to make is this ...

If it turns out not to have been patented, where do we look next? My personal set of circumstances lately have allowed me to spend hours upon hours scrolling through thousands of patent designs. But I know that not everyone has the time or interest for such exhaustive research. And to tell you the truth, my so called time and talents regarding patent searches has almost reached it's limit as well. I'm beginning to think it may never have been patented, (with this "opinion" based primarily on the fact that it is not marked with a number).

To repeat my initial question ... "Where do we look next?"

I think Bramblefind is on the right track with old magazines and other related catagories, but I have just recently discovered, (speaking only for myself), that this area of search is even more of a nightmare than patents. So without wasting any more of your valuable time than I already have, I must bid you all ado until a later date when something more substantial presents itself. My personal circumstances have changed where I no longer have the three or four hours a day to devote to this. Hopefully, someone with more time and talent than myself will stumble onto something that will send this thing rocketing to the moon. It's been a fun ride, and I wish each and every one of you good health and the very best of luck. And thanks to "All of you" for letting me be me, and for the immeasurable assistance you have shared along the way.

Adios (For now).

SODABOTTLEBOB



Again, "Good Luck"

P.S. And just when I finally figured out why my Patent Links wouldn't post. I discovered that for some unexplainable reason when I tried to paste them, that the pdf on the end of the link would mysteriously get capitalized to PDF, thus it wouldn't work. So if this ever happens to anyone else, just erase and change it back to the lower case pdf, and it will work fine.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It seems like only yesterday there was talk about post #1000. Now here we are on #1204. Not to menton the 64,377+ views it has received.

Good for the sponsors and/or advertisers.

...I think it goes without saying that most of us agree by now that it is probably some kind of egg counter or tallying device used in some manner with the poultry industry.

...But for some reason our little mystery item doesn't have a patent number stamped on it. My question is, "Why?"

1- Patents are only good for the first 12-15 years.
2- I believe the patent number, patent pending, or manufacturers numbers, if they existed, were on the broken off, or snipped off, part.

 

[IronSpike]

I think she is very close to a green check but look at the bottom right hand corner under references and it will give a few related patents worth searching. Also claims may be worth a search.





Here is a patented amusement device 1,960,363 that I came up with from this reference list but I didnt check them all. http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=AnVAAAAAEBAJ&dq=1960363



And a camera counter. The only similarity I see is the back tabs. http://www.google.com/patents?id=O_5iAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=2350733&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#

What is a claim (10 claims)? What's the foreign patent for?

If musclecar's find is a prototype I doubt we'll get much further than where we are right now (very close).

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think she is very close to a green check but look at the bottom right hand corner under references and it will give a few related patents worth searching. Also claims may be worth a search.




Here is a patented amusement device 1,960,363 that I came up with from this reference list but I didnt check them all. http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=AnVAAAAAEBAJ&dq=1960363
And a camera counter. The only similarity I see is the back tabs. http://www.google.com/patents?id=O_5iAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=2350733&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#

What is a claim (10 claims)? What's the foreign patent for?

If musclecar's find is a prototype I doubt we'll get much further than where we are right now (very close).

The 10 claims is nothing but the patent references are worth searching. I believe I checked Yearwood and Drotning and I got a few good ones but I didnt check the foreign patent reference or the oldest references. I think its definitely worth a try if you have the time.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I just checked them all but the foreign patent.

 

[IronSpike]

I just checked them all but the foreign patent.

Can't get anything on the foreign patent. Not sure which patent search would be best

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I hope I didn't come across earlier as sounding as if I had lost interest in this topic. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's just that as of today circumstances are such that my search time has been drastically reduced to about a half-hour a day. Which just isn't enough time to be scrolling through thousands and thousands of Patents. But I will drop in from time to time to see how things are going, and to share stuff like the following that I found on e-Bay. If I had the time, I would seriously look into this kind stuff. Old poultry magazines and other related catagories may be where our little item is hiding. But I'm not hiding, I just won't be around as much as I used to be. Which may be a blessing in discuise to many of you.

ILLBEBACKBOB

P.S. For those of you with the time and interest to continue doing patent searches, be sure to look under "Poultry Cage" --- "Chicken Cage" --- (The word "device" on the end may help). I took a quick patent peek at "Poultry/Chicken Cage" and stumbled into all kinds of interesting stuff.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Ralston...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5632c7f966

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Nice happy picture on the booklet. I tried googling modern "cage egg factories" and I got a lot of this.
http://www.eggindustry.com/

My guess is (like Bramblefind suggested) that this is a cage egg counter but was manufactured in a different era of small homestead poultry farms. The modern era of large overcrowded automated cage egg factories probably made this hand counter obsolete.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Although many of you may already have looked at similar patent pages, this is primarily for those who have not and would like to give it a shot. This link will put you on page 34 of an exact word search for "Egg." There is all kinds of stuff here, including various egg counters and so much other stuff there is no way I am ever going to be able to look at it all. I can tell you this, though, most of these items are "Old" patent numbers, and even if our item isn't buried here somewhere, it will be a real education on early patents related to ... what else? "Egg Related Devices/Apparatus, etc." From what I've seen so far, this may be the cream of the crop. I'm really not sure how far it goes, but I jumped forward to page 60 and it was still going. Good luck. I hope you find something.

BOB

P.S. If this is your first time, or not all that familiar with patent searches, once you select the item you want to look at, just scroll down to where you see the "Download PDF," click on that and you're there. And then just back click your way out to the next selection and so on.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?p=34&sort=relevance&srch=top&query_txt=egg