The End Of Critical Thinking?

[geowizard]

I found a very interesting video that I would like to share on "critical Thinking!

It's a topic worthy of discussion on TN.

The End Of Critical Thinking And Rise Of Collective Stupidity - Carlo Cipolla


- Gewizard

 

[3RDLIFE]

Critical thinking is too relative to quantity.
Collective stupidity is the norm.
Brief periods of apparent sanity are transient.

 

[Carl-NC]

For a video critical of AI, it was obviously made by AI. That aside, it makes excellent points. Many many years ago I would listen to a radio personality who was vocally alluring but often wrong in the details of the topics of discussion. People who did not recognize these errors in arguments called themselves "dittoheads," which I found to be a hilarious self-deprecating admission that they could not think for themselves. The chairs in an echo chamber are exceptionally comfortable, and though the radio personality is gone, social media has created a vastly larger echo chamber that can hold far more head-nodders than ever before.

I have long wished for a required high school class on critical thinking skills. Unfortunately, the most influential people prefer head-nodders to thinkers and would never allow it.

 

[djackson7348]

Unfortunately, today's educational system leans more towards the "Crippled Thinking" concept. The current you're a victim, I'm a victim, we're all victims and everybody owes us.

 

[newnan man]

New York City lowered the score needed to pass the teaching examination. Only 40% of minority applicants passed so the lowered the passing score. Now you can in New York officially be a "dumb" teacher.

 

[djackson7348]

New York City lowered the score needed to pass the teaching examination. Only 40% of minority applicants passed so the lowered the passing score. Now you can in New York officially be a "dumb" teacher.

And the end result is what you see in NYC today.

 

[geowizard]

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Geowizard

 

[3RDLIFE]

Idiocracy is a documentary not fiction sadly, only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
People believe media and social media influences over their own eyes and experiences.
Logical fallacies are so commonplace that they've become the norm in communication rather than the exception.
Fortunately, some rural and suburban schools are sticking some practical courses in with the fluff required by law or pushed by state or local government.

 

[AstralDruid]

What makes you think that your thoughts are your own ?
Where do they actually come from ?...
The subconscious is the modern 'culprit', accepted by many but not really understood nor verifiable. The inner self, the ether, the collective common thought plane 'akashic' , some external force... perhaps just random.... The reality is that we do not know where these 'thoughts' come from.. so how then can we judge those who 'think differently' ? or deem that they don't 'think at all' ? ... when we don't actually know what it is we are judging, nor are we capable of making such a judgement without aligning it to external accepted common experience.... perceived reality. Critical thinking is no different than any other form of thought, as the critically minded person is also unable to verify the origin of their critical attitude nor the authenticity of what they think... The great thinkers of history always came to the conclusion , in their own ways, that it is all a trick of the mind.. Revered thinkers of the modern era from Plato, Socrates and Aristotle to more recent 'thought explorers' like Jung, Nietzsche and Freud, along with many others have all tried to explain the origin of thought.. mostly very very interesting, clearly well constructed and explained, but ultimately they, like you and I, had no clue where their thoughts came from.
Therefore , in my opinion (based on thoughts of unknown origin) I propose that proclaiming oneself to be a 'critical thinker' and somehow superior to a 'non-critical thinker' is just another expression of insecurity and an attempt to elevate oneself at the cost of others... the human condition.
No advancements that are beneficial to our kind will be made in such paradigms..
The wonderful exchange or dialogue, between Socrates and Euthyphro , by Plato lends itself well to this form of judgement mentality..

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[blauer]

What makes you think that your thoughts are your own ?
Where do they actually come from ?...
The subconscious is the modern 'culprit', accepted by many but not really understood nor verifiable. The inner self, the ether, the collective common thought plane 'akashic' , some external force... perhaps just random.... The reality is that we do not know where these 'thoughts' come from.. so how then can we judge those who 'think differently' ? or deem that they don't 'think at all' ? ... when we don't actually know what it is we are judging, nor are we capable of making such a judgement without aligning it to external accepted common experience.... perceived reality. Critical thinking is no different than any other form of thought, as the critically minded person is also unable to verify the origin of their critical attitude nor the authenticity of what they think... The great thinkers of history always came to the conclusion , in their own ways, that it is all a trick of the mind.. Revered thinkers of the modern era from Plato, Socrates and Aristotle to more recent 'thought explorers' like Jung, Nietzsche and Freud, along with many others have all tried to explain the origin of thought.. mostly very very interesting, clearly well constructed and explained, but ultimately they, like you and I, had no clue where their thoughts came from.
Therefore , in my opinion (based on thoughts of unknown origin) I propose that proclaiming oneself to be a 'critical thinker' and somehow superior to a 'non-critical thinker' is just another expression of insecurity and an attempt to elevate oneself at the cost of others... the human condition.
No advancements that are beneficial to our kind will be made in such paradigms..
The wonderful exchange or dialogue, between Socrates and Euthyphro , by Plato lends itself well to this form of judgement mentality..

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It looks the End of the Paragraph as well.

 

[3RDLIFE]

Recently watched some YouTube physicists and science content creators dissect recent studies suggesting AI may never gain consciousness due to the possibility consciousness has either a quantum component or is only attainable via a biological process.
Illustrates just how little we really know about thought and consciousness despite thousands of years of research and discussion.

 

[geowizard]

AI has no consciousness, no conscious, no thinking ability;

AI is a powerful search engine. AI does not apply good or evil to a response. Good and Evil are man-made concepts and remain philosophical questions.

"What is good?"

- Geowizard

 

[djackson7348]

AI has no consciousness, no conscious, no thinking ability;

AI is a powerful search engine. AI does not apply good or evil to a response. Good and Evil are man-made concepts and remain philosophical questions.

"What is good?"

- Geowizard

Sort of true except the programing used in AI processes it dictated by manmade algorithms weighted to bias built in by the programmer. No current AI model is unbiased due to the human factor.

 

[geowizard]

Sort of true except the programing used in AI processes it dictated by manmade algorithms weighted to bias built in by the programmer. No current AI model is unbiased due to the human factor.

What programming? What algorithm? What Model? What bias?

- Geowizard

 

[geowizard]

These are results for:

Does AI have conscious thought?

Current artificial intelligence systems are not conscious. Scientific research, neuroscientific evaluations, and philosophical consensus show that modern AI—including large language models like ChatGPT and Claude—does not possess subjective experiences, feelings, or self-awareness.

If AI Becomes Conscious, Here's How We Can Tell

A checklist derived from six neuroscience-based theories of consciousness could help assess whether an artificial intelligence system achieves this state

www.scientificamerican.com

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/can-ai-become-conscious-the-science-behind-a-question-at-ndtv-world-summit-12174060

No, AI isn't conscious

www.bradford.ac.uk

Do AIs already process information in a way that gives rise to consciousness? | New Scientist

A leading theory of consciousness explains experience as information flowing through a global workspace in the mind. On board a luxury yacht, neuroscientists and philosophers recently debated signs of a similar workspace in the chatbot Claude

www.newscientist.com

ed note: added highlight

- Geowizard

 

[newnan man]

AI has no consciousness, no conscious, no thinking ability;

AI is a powerful search engine. AI does not apply good or evil to a response. Good and Evil are man-made concepts and remain philosophical questions.

"What is good?"

- Geowizard

Irish whiskey is good, I rest my case!

 

[geowizard]

By the case?

 

[blauer]

A book every "free" person should read and at no cost. So you don't have an excuse not too.

Intellectual Self-Defense

 

[russau]

For myself the bottom line is, what we do with all this education either from a school room or from life's class room ! Yep, you could be a victim of stupidity OR you could take advantage of learning and apply it to your own situation that is in your face staring at you ! Hopefully your education has taught you to solve or unwind these situations to your advantage ! Yep life can be a handful if your NOT prepared for it ! BUT then again if your up to it , the challenge can be very rewarding ! It's up to each person's desire to get ahead in life or to sit back and wait for someone else to wipe your b--t ! I choose to fix it myself ! You say " well how is that working for you?" well not as good as I would want it BUT I did my best in most case's and feel good about it and I didn't wait for someone to come along and wipe me ! AI is a tool for us to figure out and apply safeguards to prevent a runaway virus that could ruin it for us all ! And Foreign Country's could and probably will hack into this technology to sabotage it for everyone for their own welfare! It's up to us to put in place safe gaurds to help prevent this ! AI is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we need to secure it for EVERYONE to benefit from it ! AI is here and it isn't going away anytime soon ! We need to learn from it and GROW with it !

 

[russau]

I found a very interesting video that I would like to share on "critical Thinking!

It's a topic worthy of discussion on TN.

The End Of Critical Thinking And Rise Of Collective Stupidity - Carlo Cipolla


- Gewizard

This video will make you think about what has happened in life and where we as people are going if left uncontrolled !