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[cactusjumper]

Roy,

Another problem with Plato's myth, is that the story came out of Egypt. There is no mention of Atlanntis in Egypt's well documented history. Egyptologists had never heard of Atlantis.

Take care,

Joe

 

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[Peerless67]

You would never have found a totem pole and not photographed it would you bowman?

 

[cactusjumper]

bb,

"willow springs has a nice eastern gorge dosent it ...lol .."

You should make every effort to avoid making definitive statements about known landmarks in the Superstitions. You only end up looking foolish. You're at your best when you are talking about your conversations with Moctezuma, or caves bobby trapped with Nitro'. ...lol ..

"your a very smart man cj i dont know why you havent figerd out the game yet ...its find the target as fast as you can then have fun with the people that have spend their life searching ...your it ....."

Once again, you have failed to grasp the reality of the situation here. I figured out your game a long time ago,
pretty much like everyone else.

I have never searched for the LDM, on my own. I don't need to pretend I have found it to give some meaning to my life. The less meaning that your life has, the grander the find must be. You have taken your "find" to unbelievable proportions. You're a very smart man bb. Have you figured out how much meaning there is in your life?

I engage in your "game" because it's amusing to see how far you will go. In all this time, I can't imagine you have convinced anyone.......of anything. Having said that......please continue.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

Cactusjumper wrote:

Roy,

Another problem with Plato's myth, is that the story came out of Egypt. There is no mention of Atlanntis in Egypt's well documented history. Egyptologists had never heard of Atlantis.

True as the situation stands today, but a Greek philosopher named Crantor went to Sais in search of the source and said he had found columns with the story recorded on them - so is it not possible that the columns did exist but are lost today? We know that a good deal of Egyptian records are lost, deliberately so in some cases (like the case with Tutunkhamen). Or do we say that Crantor was lying? Donnelly felt that the same event was recorded in several other ancient "legends" such as the flood of Noah.

Blindbowman wrote:

i am ready to just formatt the hard drive and sell the computer .......

Why? Frustration over the red tape it takes to get a treasure trove claim?

Blindbowman also wrote:

so welcome back to are little trool party .. their all mad because i found a totem and didnt tell them and now they know damn well their days are numberd ...so i will milk it for a few more laughs then make them look like fools .. ya that pretty much covers it ....lol
Posted on: Today at 02:24:10 PMPosted by: Gossamer

It is pretty inappropriate to refer to your fellows here as "trolls" amigo, when one definition of an internet troll is:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion

Do you really see us here as "trolls" just for asking for PROOF of your claims amigo?

Welcome back Janiece! I hope that your absence was due to pleasant reasons.

One more thing....
Blindbowman wrote:

PS if plato wrote about atlantis being 9000 years old when he was writeing about it he was writeing about it some time around 428-347 B.C

that makes it at lest 9400 bc or older we may asume the culture was at its peak between 1600 -9000 years ago and plato dosent say when atlantis sank into the sea dose he ...as far as i know he only stated atlantis was more then 9000 years old

So you have NOT read Plato's dialogues? They are available online (free - a price even I can afford) at:
Critias: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html
Timaeus http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

I think you will find that Plato makes it fairly clear that the events took place 9000 years before his time, including the destruction/flood of Atlantis. If you can find something in Plato's dialogues to suggest a time closer to 1600 BC I would very much appreciate if you would point it out? Thank you in advance,

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

"True as the situation stands today, but a Greek philosopher named Crantor went to Sais in search of the source and said he had found columns with the story recorded on them - so is it not possible that the columns did exist but are lost today? We know that a good deal of Egyptian records are lost, deliberately so in some cases (like the case with Tutunkhamen). Or do we say that Crantor was lying? Donnelly felt that the same event was recorded in several other ancient "legends" such as the flood of Noah."

Well, Sir......The evidence is pretty slim, from any of the "authorities" of the time, and even today.

Consider the fact that Atlantis played a powerful roll in its time. That power affected many civilizations of the day.......if it's not a myth. In their many historical accounts that survive to this day, there is no mention of Atlantis and the devastating influence they had, other than Plato's account which is filled with gods and goddesses.

We can't call Crantor a liar, because we don't have his own words. What we have are the words of Proclus and his writings. No one else saw these writings of Crantor, that I know of.

It has long been accepted that Atlantis is myth, created by the fertile imagination of Plato. In reading Plato's story, I come to the same conclusion. That and five bucks will get me an average cup of coffee.
If you join us at the Rendezvous this year, your coffee will be free......well, maybe a story or two.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

Hi Joe!

Cactusjumper wrote:

It has long been accepted that Atlantis is myth, created by the fertile imagination of Plato.

Accepted as myth by whom? Can you site some authorities who say this? Do you accept the conclusion of an encyclopedia or dictionary as the absolute, total and indisputable fact? Thank you in advance,

I do hope to make it to the Rendezvous, but dare not make any promises - still trying to keep a few that might prevent my going anywhere too far for a while. Besides, I would sooner hear a story or three than bore folks with my tired old stuff.
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Ladies, gentlemen: Whether a myth or not will prob not be proven for many years. At least until we have the technology and financing available to go explore a site that fits the Description of Atlantis and it's location far too well to merely be a simple co-incidence. Even to the muddy shoals off of Spain.

WE, TN, have found it ! Congratulations

Don Jose de Mancha

 

[the blindbowman]

i have made the choice to continue my research in privite

stay safe stay free

dont ask , i will not reply

 

[whitt459]

bb! you are so full of yourself that there is no way on this planet that you can avoid the rest of the world ,you have to be the center of every subject or you get your fellings hurt and go of to play by yourself until you see that others dont really care one way or the other so then you come back with some more bs that is so off the wall that no one believes it . will be looking for your next post . whitt459

 

[Gossamer]

BB conjecturs:
... no in fact it was Albert Einstein that dismist the 5th element of the Phythagorian theory for his own magnetic theory like that was a smart move ..lol wrong . if he had a better under standing of the 5th element he would have come up with the define sound /light cohesion WPD thoery .. ad it would have been correct then.

Gossamer ponders:
BB, I think that some of the most amazing scientists in the world are all the more amazing because they have taken the attitude and acknowledged that they too are wrong or that their theories can 'evolve' with finer and broader minds. Einstein, Hawking and --- are my hero's for this. Shoot Hawking rolled into a lecture hall and gave his betting partner and publicly conceded his black hole theory.

I will get back to you on your statement:
5th element he would have come up with the define sound /light cohesion WPD thoery

BB chirps:
so welcome back to are little trool party .. their all mad because i found a totem and didnt tell them and now they know damn well their days are numberd ...so i will milk it for a few more laughs then make them look like fools .. ya' that pretty much covers it ....lol

Thank you for your warm welcome BB.
And I'm waiting for the fool part, hasn't worked in the past.

Then, Gossamer interjects:
Totem= you state you found one, I love this, you push around and cut and paste, one time its the 'ballcourt' now its the "totem" BB, show em' or fold em'. I called ya' out on the ballcourt and I call ya' out on this Totem, show or fold. I don't buy you found a totem any more than I did your lovely out of body visit to Monctezuma.
Show a pic, or lets get on to the next insanity.
---
Joe parried:
Roy,
Another problem with Plato's myth, is that the story came out of Egypt. There is no mention of Atlanntis in Egypt's well documented history. Egyptologists had never heard of Atlantis.
Take care,
Joe---

Peerless said
You would never have found a totem pole and not photographed it would you bowman?

Peerless, hi, I'm Janiece ... its very difficult to photograph something you are seeing it in a vision.

Joe states:
I engage in your "game" because it's amusing to see how far you will go. In all this time, I can't imagine you have convinced anyone.......of anything. Having said that......please continue.
Joe Ribaudo

Yes, Joe, he is amusing ... he hits on a word and we all come tumbling down. Entertainment is a great description.
---
Oro countered:
True as the situation stands today, but a Greek philosopher named Crantor went to Sais in search of the source and said he had found columns with the story recorded on them - so is it not possible that the columns did exist but are lost today? We know that a good deal of Egyptian records are lost, deliberately so in some cases (like the case with Tutunkhamen). Or do we say that Crantor was lying? Donnelly felt that the same event was recorded in several other ancient "legends" such as the flood of Noah.

I think you will find that Plato makes it fairly clear that the events took place 9000 years before his time, including the destruction/flood of Atlantis. If you can find something in Plato's dialogues to suggest a time closer to 1600 BC I would very much appreciate if you would point it out? Thank you in advance,

Gossamer confer's
Oro, I agree with Plato and his date for Atlantis ... and unless someone actually has read Donnelly, I don't really put to much weight in their argument that its all just a myth. Donnelly did a marvelous job just showing us the possibilities.

And if we are going to try and say that information such as that couldn't just be lost, let us go back to Egypt ... and the damn burning of the Library of Alexandria.

The Burning of books across the world. The Vatican's voracious collecting and suppression of anything left out there (if its not available to scholars, its suppressed).

Private collections of thousands of cuneiform tablets. Museums insatiable and inscrutable contest to get the best out there and the often unlawful methods they use.

Shoot, the United States is an amazing example of plowing over history. What is in the basement of the Smithsonian, I wager it would be staggering and life and history altering?

Do you accept the conclusion of an encyclopedia or dictionary as the absolute, total and indisputable fact?

Oh please have you ever read and compared an encyclopedia with old history books and other texts... We all here know the, ooh do we dare call it a cover-up ... just in the maps of the US? Any TNeter has had major experience with that.

I could go on, but I'm guessing that its not necessary.

So, BB... show your hand. I'm guessing you won't. LOL... but I do love reading all the stuff, so don't get all huffy. I still love you.
Janiece

 

[Cubfan64]

Best of luck on your research BB. While I've always been a proponent of "thinking outside the box" to solve problems and see things in a different way, you've convinced me that there ARE limits to such a technique.

I wish you had posted things I could have agreed with, supported and defended. It will definitely be a bit less interesting with you gone, however the sharing of ideas and discussing pros and cons rationally and constructively will likely improve amongst our little community

I know somehow you think you've angered us by not sharing any true evidence or proof of any of your theories or discoveries, but I have to say that perhaps your continued implication of "not being a member of the human race" is correct somehow - I have no other way to explain how one can misread people so often. What you perceived as greed, jealosy and anger was nothing more than human curiosity, interest and a questioning nature which comes from being human.

Good luck - if you ever run across a guy with a Chicago Cubs baseball cap on if you ever get back to the Superstitions again, don't hesitate to say hello - that is if you hold no ill will - I know I don't.

Paul

 

[the blindbowman]

bb! you are so full of yourself that there is no way on this planet that you can avoid the rest of the world ,you have to be the center of every subject or you get your fellings hurt and go of to play by yourself until you see that others dont really care one way or the other so then you come back with some more bs that is so off the wall that no one believes it . will be looking for your next post . whitt459

who's post are you in ,, it is as simple as that ...

 

[the blindbowman]

Best of luck on your research BB. While I've always been a proponent of "thinking outside the box" to solve problems and see things in a different way, you've convinced me that there ARE limits to such a technique.

I wish you had posted things I could have agreed with, supported and defended. It will definitely be a bit less interesting with you gone, however the sharing of ideas and discussing pros and cons rationally and constructively will likely improve amongst our little community

I know somehow you think you've angered us by not sharing any true evidence or proof of any of your theories or discoveries, but I have to say that perhaps your continued implication of "not being a member of the human race" is correct somehow - I have no other way to explain how one can misread people so often. What you perceived as greed, jealosy and anger was nothing more than human curiosity, interest and a questioning nature which comes from being human.

Good luck - if you ever run across a guy with a Chicago Cubs baseball cap on if you ever get back to the Superstitions again, don't hesitate to say hello - that is if you hold no ill will - I know I don't.

Paul

would you post the location of a discovery here at this site if you did not have a legal clam on it ...?

i dont know anyone here ,why would i hold ill will to anyone at this site ?

 

[cactusjumper]

Hi Joe!

Cactusjumper wrote:

It has long been accepted that Atlantis is myth, created by the fertile imagination of Plato.

Accepted as myth by whom? Can you site some authorities who say this? Do you accept the conclusion of an encyclopedia or dictionary as the absolute, total and indisputable fact? Thank you in advance,

I do hope to make it to the Rendezvous, but dare not make any promises - still trying to keep a few that might prevent my going anywhere too far for a while. Besides, I would sooner hear a story or three than bore folks with my tired old stuff.
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco

Roy,

Having read Plato's story of Atlantis, I find it to be expressing an ideal, rather than a factual history. That being said, my opinion is the begining of "whom".

There are no "authorities" on Atlantis. There are intelligent, insightful people who have read the story and formed opinions on it's substance. There are many of the same kind of folks who believe they have found Atlantis in many locations in the world. My favorite is under the South Pole, moved to that position when the earth shifted on it's axis.
That would be right up bb's alley......so to speak. I believe I read that in one of Graham Hancock's books. Not home, so I can't check right now.

As for other names, it seems a wasted effort, because you can find just as many authors who believe Atlantis is more than myth. Two books on the subject that I have read are: "The Myths of Plato" and "Atlantis, Fact Or Fiction".
As I said, I was convinced by the words of Plato.....himself. Obviously, others read his words differently.

In myths, no one can be right or wrong until that last rock is looked under. We have a long way to go. What's your favorite location for Atlantis?

Take care,

Joe

 

[Cubfan64]

Best of luck on your research BB. While I've always been a proponent of "thinking outside the box" to solve problems and see things in a different way, you've convinced me that there ARE limits to such a technique.

I wish you had posted things I could have agreed with, supported and defended. It will definitely be a bit less interesting with you gone, however the sharing of ideas and discussing pros and cons rationally and constructively will likely improve amongst our little community

I know somehow you think you've angered us by not sharing any true evidence or proof of any of your theories or discoveries, but I have to say that perhaps your continued implication of "not being a member of the human race" is correct somehow - I have no other way to explain how one can misread people so often. What you perceived as greed, jealosy and anger was nothing more than human curiosity, interest and a questioning nature which comes from being human.

Good luck - if you ever run across a guy with a Chicago Cubs baseball cap on if you ever get back to the Superstitions again, don't hesitate to say hello - that is if you hold no ill will - I know I don't.

Paul

would you post the location of a discovery here at this site, if you say yes you would be a fool ...

Don't believe I ever requested the location of anyone's discovery here or anywhere else, but I could be wrong. I think the only things I've asked to see are clearer photographs of certain things you've posted, but you didn't have them - no harm, no foul.

As to whether or not I'd post the location here... guess it all depended on the circumstances. There's certainly a number of friends I would trust with that kind of discovery - some of them perhaps even on this site.

As far as being a fool, there's a quotation I'm fond of posted on my desk - "Every man is a fool in some man's opinion."

Take care

 

[the blindbowman]

i agree .. but who judges these things ...LOL

let get one thing clear .. . the codex say there is a site there .and IMHO site is Atlantis . two diffrent codex point it out at the same location...

show me anyone who spoke out againest greek law...? anyone that didnt get bandished ...

 

[the blindbowman]

CJ you say you read a few books about Atlantis .. so tell me something .. how could Atlantis be this addvaniced race more then 9000 years old if Atlas was said to be the frist king of Atlantis and he was son of a titan in greek mythology.. Atlantis is clearly a island in this mythology ...

so how can Atlantis be so much more addvanced then the greeks were .. if atlantis was founded by a greeks ..?

i think Plato wrote what he would not get bandish for ... and tryed to push the line when he could ..

i clearly see the addvanced race as being on the north ,centeral,and south american land masses ...and atlantis being this little island in its shadows ..on the edge of the Atlantic ocean ...

i wish i could say it was my idea .. but this addvanced culture made the sorce of the codex ,and they charted the locations .. i only translated the data back on modern carts .....

 

[Gossamer]

Joe said:
In myths, no one can be right or wrong until that last rock is looked under. We have a long way to go. What's your favorite location for Atlantis?
Take care,
Joe

Ya' that pesky myth about Troy worked out well too
Janiece

 

[cactusjumper]

Gossamer,

As I said......."until that last rock is looked under". At this point in time, Atlantis is myth. Think I said something along those lines to Roy, as well.

Nothing wrong with believing in Atlantis. There is also nothing wrong in believing that it's a myth.

Take care,

Joe

 

[the blindbowman]

i have made the choice to end this ...

i have ask scott wood to hear my reguest for a premit for site 4 ....


i have other things to do ..


like find a new hobby ...