Oroblanco said:
HOLA amigos,
Blindbowman wrote:
then i realized these site may have started as
chicomoztoc
old chichen
the dillman site
chachapoya
aztec
a Galapagos island site ..Mayan?
the chanle island site
Atlantis
Hi Blindbowman - I just have a couple of questions here that would clarify things for me - first, you mentioned
a Galapagos island site, perhaps Mayan? This is a new one on me, never knew there were any ruins/sites on the Galapagos islands. Is there any information available on this online or a book you could recommend?
Secondly, you mentioned
the channel island site - do you mean
the Catalina islands channel, the
English channel or another channel with islands and archaeological sites? I don't know of any significant archaeological sites either on the English channel islands (including Guernsey and Jersey) nor on the Catalina islands, though the Catalinas do have very interesting pygmy mammoth finds and (perhaps) the oldest human remains ever found in the Americas, which would be pretty ODD for that old (and wrong) Bering Straits land-bridge theory that the historians love so much. If you could clear this question up for me it would help me understand. Thank you in advance,
The other thing I found interesting was
the totem. I meant to ask you about this earlier but got side-tracked on other subjects, my apologies for not asking about this sooner. You know that totems are generally identified with the Pacific Northwest region, and not with the southwest. Is it a totem like those of the Pacific Northwest, or something more like the
Inuuk's (stone men markers also called "Inukshuk")<Correction, inunnguaq,
not Inuuk or Inukshuk which is not necessarily built in the shape of a man> built by Eskimos, Inuits etc in the Arctic? (like these)
Or something quite unlike those examples, more like the stone column-statues of Teotihuacan (in Mexico) or Tiahuanaco (in Bolivia)? (
Yes I am leading towards something mentioned by Jacob Waltz as well as a few Dutch-hunters.) Thank you in advance,
Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Oroblanco
"first, you mentioned
a Galapagos island site, perhaps Mayan? This is a new one on me, never knew there were any ruins/sites on the Galapagos islands. Is there any information available on this online or a book you could recommend? "
i totally agree ,i never knew the gal had tribes at all .. we can defind by what i have learn that this tribes or tribe was above 1500 ft and was a fishing vallage is it holds to the theories guide lines as they are so far ... this is a new one Oro even to me . i did find this
"Native Cultures
America, erroneously called the "new" world, has a rich and ancient cultural tradition that is known as pre-Columbian. The conquering Spaniards saw the ethnic groups that inhabit Ecuador today as "primitive". In fact many people have a hard time understanding native American Culture. The XVI Spanish tried to eradicate indigenous beliefs and customs. Fortunately, many ethnic groups retain their traditional way of life and belief systems. In the colonial era, the Spaniards imposed Catholicism. To this day, many of the indigenous cultures have adopted this faith. However, they maintain their original language, dress and artistic expressions. Especially in the rain forest, many ethnic groups are still isolated and have little contact with Western culture. To this day, they maintain a way of life similar to the way their ancestors lived over 500 years ago.
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In Ecuador, when we speak of mega-diversity we speak not only of our magnificent biological world, but we also refer to the human factor. Our bio-diversity and ethnic-diversity is rich and different, with characteristics depending on the natural environment of the Coast, the Highlands and the Rainforest.
THE CULTURES OF THE COAST
The oldest known cultures of America lived on the Ecuadorian coast (8800 a 3500 B.C.). The cultures that subsist to this day are three different groups: the Awá, the Chachis or Cayapas and the Tsachilas or Colorados. They live in the tropical rainforest on the west Andes and possibly settled there escaping from the invasion of the Incas from Peru (XV Century) or from the Spaniards (XVI Century).
THE AMAZONIAN CULTURES
Many archeologists sustain that some of the oldest cultures that survived (over 10,000 years) are actually from this tropical humid rainforest, impossible to reach for many centuries. In the "Cosmo vision” of these indigenous groups, the human being is a part of the "Amazanga" (rainforest) and the human spirit wanders in this forest every dawn. The human spirit can enter an eagle or a serpent or a jaguar, each one with a symbolism as to their nature according to their beliefs. The rainforest provides their food, medicinal plants, and spiritual richness. To these people, the tropical rainforest is their home, their drugstore, their supermarket, and their religion; thus, their extreme respect to the ecological balance. These people are neither naturalists nor consumers. They are apparently very poor (according to modern world economical standards), however, they have a rich spiritual life and live in peace surrounded by their families, taking from nature only what they need for survival and taking time to meditate and enlighten their spiritual selves. To share a few days of their normal lives is an incredibly enriching experience. The Kapawi project has considered this, and offers a fantastic opportunity. The Ashuar Community, together with a tourist company, is co-managing this unique travel experience
THE HIGHLANDS
The cultures of the highlands are by no means the oldest but the most visited and known, probably because of their geographical location on the Andean Highlands with access by roads and highways.
Many of these communities share their lives with other Ecuadorian cultures and it is fantastic how they still maintain their cultural manifestations through dress, language (Quichua), and festivities. Just 100 km. north of Quito you can visit the Otavalo Indian Market, a must for any tourist that comes to Ecuador.
This market offers wonderful weavings, tapestry, rugs, bags, and more products of the hard working community of Otavalo. These people are very skillful and artistic.
Families work together and then sell together at the fair. Transactions take place most quietly with bargaining and all. These are a very proud people that have not lost their cultural identity despite the fact that mestizos and whites inhabit Otavalo city as well, and also that they all have televisions to expose them to the modern globalized world.
Otavalo Indians travel around the world merchandising their goods.
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no this data was new to me . as i stated there are new sites that are unknown to us .. what is funny this is one of the main sites
yes ,"the oldest human remains ever found in the Americas"
i dont know why they refer to this site .. i can only say they do and it dose fit the guide lines of this culture...i have past by this island dozens of time leaveing the port of SD ,cal ..
i am not confused about this being one of the sites pionted out by this culture ,, maybe we can use this guide line to check the locations around this site and in the hope to relocate other near by sites related to the culture ...
one thing i have noted , this culture coverd a large are and ties togather many diffrent tribes i felt had no relationship between them .. ,i fully agree , if it was not in writeing on the totem i would not beleive it my self ...
" more like the stone column-statues of Teotihuacan (in Mexico)"
correct it is a 4 sided stone column ,almost like the one at old chichen ...but the writeing is not the same .. it has a level of math 10 time beyond anything i have ever seen ... the only thing i can prove is it came from chicomoztoc dirrectly .. and links dozens of tribes togather . the best describtion i have found is this
" this could be used to refer to any object that provides or symbolizes group identity--"
"Lévi-Strauss looked at the ideas of Firth and Fortes, Durkheim, Malinowski, and Evans-Pritchard to reach his conclusions. Firth and Fortes argued that Totemism was based on physical or psychological similarities between the clan and the totemic animal. Malinowski proposed that it was based on empirical interest or that the totem was 'good to eat.' In other words there was rational interest in preserving the species. Finally Evans-Pritchard argued that the reason for totems was metaphoric. His work with the Nuer led him to believe that totems are a symbolic representation of the group.
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this totem shows the groups identity, it shows the location of these groups and shows their ancestory...
"Yes I am leading towards something mentioned by Jacob Waltz as well as a few Dutch-hunters."
do tell ...?
?? You are spending way too much time at the market. Munchies will do that to ya. 
