The Horse's Head Clue

[rk85044]

Can anyone elaborate more on this clue? I've heard many variations...in essence it is a rock...that looks like a horse at full gallop....with one ear down.... one ear up..and mouth open....
who said this?
For which mine?
And the hidden filly clue that goes with it??
Just wondering.....

 

[Ponteach]

Apache Jack further said that the Apache left a marker. In a steep-climbing arroyo high upon a mountainside where no white prospector would normally think of looking for gold, was a bright yellow ribbon of it in a narrow vein of rose quartz. It lay under towering cliffs, which overhung the whole arroyo, within plain sight of nearby Weaver’s Needle, and thinking no white man would ever venture there, the Apaches did not conceal this place. Below was the secret marker, an eight-foot high boulder hoisted upon the skyline of a ridge which, because it formed an abrupt bend in the north-south trending Needle Canyon, formed also for a few hundreds yards the only south slope. This boulder had been chiseled to look like a rampant horse’s head with mouth open, one ear laid back and with the other ear standing straight up. However, it was only so recognized against the sky when viewed from down canyon a short ways to the north.

 

[coazon de oro]

Can anyone elaborate more on this clue? I've heard many variations...in essence it is a rock...that looks like a horse at full gallop....with one ear down.... one ear up..and mouth open....
who said this?
For which mine?
And the hidden filly clue that goes with it??
Just wondering.....

Howdy rk85044,
The horse head was never a clue that came from Jacob Waltz. Julia Thomas who was Waltz's caretaker in his last days, and the first to go out searching for the LDM after he passed away, started selling maps with a horse head in them. Waltz thinking he was going to get well enough to go by wagon, had told her how they could go in there, but not all the way to the mine. He just wanted to get to a place where he could point to the place where the mine was. There were no maps showing showing all the mountains yet to be named, so he had to go and point it out. The only maps were property of the Military, and even those had nameless mountains.
After failing to find anything, she started selling maps with a horse head as a landmark, but that was never a clue that came from Waltz.
Homar

 

[AZGoldHunter]

 

[393stroker]

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Looks like a horse’s head to me. Where’d you find that?

 

[Geoffnotjeff]

Looks like a horse’s head to me. Where’d you find that?

Its in Peters Box, right after leaving tortilla.

 

[AZGoldHunter]

Looks like a horse’s head to me. Where’d you find that?

I didn't take the photo. Someone who spent decades in the Superstitions passed away and I have his entire archive. He took tens of thousands of photos. I share many of them on a FB group associated with this topic.

The post above this is spot on and a great photo. This area was of high interest to my friend and also produced more clues the further he went.

 

[393stroker]

I didn't take the photo. Someone who spent decades in the Superstitions passed away and I have his entire archive. He took tens of thousands of photos. I share many of them on a FB group associated with this topic.

The post above this is spot on and a great photo. This area was of high interest to my friend and also produced more clues the further he went.

Sounds like Tom K. I talked to him at the rendezvous before.

 

[Geoffnotjeff]

Sounds like Tom K. I talked to him at the rendezvous before.

I believe it was Tree, who has been mentioned here a bunch and traveled extensively (and documented things via photos) across the range.

 

[AZGoldHunter]

I believe it was Tree, who has been mentioned here a bunch and traveled extensively (and documented things via photos) across the range.

Yes it was Tree. Believe it or not I am still scanning his archive. Every time I think I am getting close to being done I find more packs of photos, maps, and dairies

 

[markmar]

Hello gentlemen. In my opinion, the horse clue came from Julia Thomas and Reinhardt Petrasch, and was told to them by Waltz. Of course this clue was told after to their partners, who were Herman and Peter Petrasch. They kept this clue secret, until Julia put it on her maps and Herman told it later to Ted Cox.
This clue goes like this:
" On making a slight bend, you will see a natural rock formation with the distinct appearance of a Roman-nosed mustang with one ear laid back over a jagged cropped mane.
This formation is located at the east end of a hill that looks like a Roman helmet "

Other versions tell the horse image is " in a full gallop " or " rampant ", with both versions to show the same image of the front horse's legs. So we can add this versions to the main clue, to make a more accurate image. So, the horse can be seen only from some distance away and not from close range or below. If we will take in cosideration how the first attempt to find the mine was from the south side of the mountains, then that horse image should be seen to the north and to the right of that hill, always IMO.

 

[rk85044]

Hello gentlemen. In my opinion, the horse clue came from Julia Thomas and Reinhardt Petrasch, and was told to them by Waltz. Of course this clue was told after to their partners, who were Herman and Peter Petrasch. They kept this clue secret, until Julia put it on her maps and Herman told it later to Ted Cox.
This clue goes like this:
" On making a slight bend, you will see a natural rock formation with the distinct appearance of a Roman-nosed mustang with one ear laid back over a jagged cropped mane.
This formation is located at the east end of a hill that looks like a Roman helmet "

Other versions tell the horse image is " in a full gallop " or " rampant ", with both versions to show the same image of the front horse's legs. So we can add this versions to the main clue, to make a more accurate image. So, the horse can be seen only from some distance away and not from close range or below. If we will take in cosideration how the first attempt to find the mine was from the south side of the mountains, then that horse image should be seen to the north and to the right of that hill, always IMO.

And in what direction were these separate two horses to be facing...in relation to the upper mine....or the lower?

 

[markmar]

And in what direction were these separate two horses to be facing...in relation to the upper mine....or the lower?

The horse landmark is above and to the west from the mines.

 

[rk85044]

And the Hidden Filly? In one? in both?

 

[markmar]

And the Hidden Filly? In one? in both?

You should have this info about two different horses from a traditional Indian folklore. Those two different horse landmarks are the only related to gold mines and treasures in those mountains. One horse, the Rampant, is above of few Peralta mines, and the other horse, the Filly is at the ancient mines location. They are not very close each other, not in sight of each other, with the Filly to be more bigger in dimension than the Rampant. The Filly can be seen from the north and the Rampant from the south. The Filly heads to the west and the Rampant to the north. If they could move, in a specific location, they could meet each other.

 

[rk85044]

The hidden filly lies inside the rampant.....does it not?......with the roman nosed on the east end of the roman helmet nearby...so there are really 3 horses heads to scout out...correct?...with the hidden filly a mine site?

 

[markmar]

The hidden filly lies inside the rampant.....does it not?......with the roman nosed on the east end of the roman helmet nearby...so there are really 3 horses heads to scout out...correct?...with the hidden filly a mine site?

From what I know, there is not another horse hidden in another horse structure. Both horses are well hidden from human sight. Someone has to know where to look in regards to see them.
The Rampant horse landmark is depicted in my avatar, but I will post another cropped picture of it for better understanding. The horse is in the square image to the left, and if you can distinguish a hidden filly in it, just let us know,

 

[rk85044]

Thank you. There's no hidden filly in your rampant horse...but there is one in mine...will look into this further in the winter months...