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This came out of the same lot as the silver dollar from last week!
This is the Sanborn Map of the lot from 1880
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1878S Trade Dollar with all kinds of chinese characters on it!
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A cool Knights of the Macabees Token which says Cavanaugh, Tent No 5, Utah!
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Also an 1898 Barber and 9 Wheat Pennies
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Cannot wait for some more work to be done in the lot, its just begun and is bound to get better..I hope.
Just wish the rain would quit, everything comes out of the ground as a mud ball, at least theres lots of puddles to wash things off with.
 
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chukers said:
plumloko said:
nova said:
Another round of sweet finds. You still swinging the V?
Ya, getting better with it finally.
The D coil took some getting used to, still worried Im going to hit something.

I've had mine a week... and I am digging big ole holes to avoid "hitting" something... I think I figured out where exactly where the pin point center is on the DD coil.... for me it seems to be in the center of the coin right below the sticker... what about you?

That seems just about right.
Im digging the big holes too, just in case!


Chukers
 
Wow!! That Trade Dollar is an AWESOME find!!

Here's some history on them.

http://www.coinresource.com/guide/photograde/pg_$1Trade.htm

Major Score!! :headbang:

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan
 
Banner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing find :headbang:
 
Awesome trade dollar. They were minted for trade with the Orient and yours show the "chop Marks" that were common on dollars that circulated overseas.
 
The chop marks were done by the Chinese merchants when they tested the coin for silver value. Each chop mark would have been done by a different merchant as the coin circulated. They are an interesting part of the coins history but do lower the value.
 
Interesting Story Behind The Coin

Trade dollar -- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The United States Trade Dollar is a silver dollar coin that was issued by the United States Mint and minted in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Carson City, and San Francisco from 1873 to 1885.[1] Business strikes ended in 1878.

Many Trade Dollars have what are called "chop marks" on them. The Chinese merchants would stamp the coins as a way to check their authenticity and to add their advertising logo.

Collectors are warned that recently a large number of U.S. trade dollars, of various quality have been made in China. Purchasing from known dealers or buying sealed and certified coins may be necessary to avoid these fakes.

United Kingdom

British Trade Dollar B Mint Year 1900 With the extension of British trading interests in the East, especially after the founding of Singapore in 1819 and Hong Kong in 1842, it became necessary to produce a special Dollar so as to remove the reliance of a British Colony upon the various foreign coins then in circulation. The Picture is a Trade Dollar from the reign of Victoria. It is a 1900 B mint.

China Trade, Silver Dollars were a direct result of the Opium Wars (1839-1843, 1856-1860), which began when China tried to stop Britain from selling opium to its citizens. The loser, China, had to open up a number of ports to British trade and residence, and cede Hong Kong to Britain. In the decades that followed, merchants and adventurers flocked to these areas, and international trade flourished. Foreign banks were established, and large silver coins from all over the world began arriving to pay for tea, silk, and Chinese porcelain to be shipped abroad.

Trade Dollar (United States coin) -- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History
The Trade Dollar was produced in response to other Western powers, such as Great Britain, Spain, France, and particularly Mexico, circulating large, crown size silver coins in Asia. Trade Dollars had a slightly higher silver content than the regular circulation Seated Liberty Dollars and Morgan Dollars, to compete with these foreign trade coins. Most Trade Dollars ended up in Asia during their first two years of production, where they were very successful. Many of them exhibit chopmarks which are counterstamps from Asian merchants to verify the authenticity of the coins. Many trade coins of the Western powers and large silver coins from China, Korea, and Japan also bear these chopmarks. While most chopmarked coins are generally worth less than those without, some of the more fascinating chopmarks can actually give the coin a modest premium.

Trade Dollars did not circulate in the United States initially, but were legal tender for up to $5. Things changed, however, in 1876, when the price of silver spiraled downward as Western producers dumped silver on the market, making the Trade Dollar worth more at face value than its silver content. That resulted in Trade Dollars pouring back into the United States, as they were bought for as little as the equivalent of 80 US cents in Asia, and were then spent at $1 in the United States. This prompted Congress to revoke their legal tender status, and restrict their coinage to exportation demand only.

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Spectacular finds!!!!!
I would definitely take the coin in to have it looked at.
I lived in the orient for awhile, and the character stamped on the
chest of the lady looks to be japanese, but I can find none of the
other symbols in my Chinese, Japanese, or Korean books.
I know that isn't much help, but I thought you should know.
 
WoW!!!! Nice find, I know that the trade dollars were made expressly for the China trade and that there are those who collect them solely with chop marks, some try to get them with the most chops and I have seen them with 40 or more on them. Sweet recovery and rare,congarts. :thumbsup:Hardrock
 
Ha! I found a silver roosevelt and I thought I was doing good! Kane 23
 
kane23 said:
Ha! I found a silver roosevelt and i thought I was doing good! Kane 23
You are doing good.
I drove 200 miles yesterday and didnt find a damn thing lol!
 
often the chop marks were "individal" marks --used by certain groups or persons --it meant I've checked its silver purity and weight (all they cared about was purity and weight --they did not care who's coin it was) and its A OK -- the chinese were very distrustful and often checked and then rechecked it again if it left their control and came back to them --thus multiple chops of the same type * -- as it when it went from A to B --a differant "chop" would be applied by the new fellow often --
 
Great looking Trade dollar, Congrats!!

HH, Ringfinder
 
Very cool!

I found some more info on the counterstamped trade dollars that I thought was interesting:

When trade dollars were first circulated in the Orient, many of them were chopmarked with Chinese characters. You can find these marks, stamped into the obverse and/or reverse of the coin. These chopmarked pieces served Chinese intended purpose and it was actually circulated their. The Chinese characters where imprinted or stamped with punches o the surface of the coin. This punches indicates that the coins are original and of proper weight.

F.M Rose the author of the book “Chopmark” found the following meanings which he has taken from a variety of coin types. Family Names – academy, arrow, blue, Buddha, Chiang,commodity, dollar, fat, forever, husband, immortal, Jen, master, scholar, silver, speech, star, tendon, Tung. Siamese banker – wealth, wood, and Yong Kim Hong.

He points out that the chopmaking was a time honored tradition in china, especially in Hong Kong, where it was legally recognized. Some of the coins where heavily chopmarked and they became out of shape which resulted in loosing its design.
 
Neil in West Jersey said:
Very cool!

I found some more info on the counterstamped trade dollars that I thought was interesting:

When trade dollars were first circulated in the Orient, many of them were chopmarked with Chinese characters. You can find these marks, stamped into the obverse and/or reverse of the coin. These chopmarked pieces served Chinese intended purpose and it was actually circulated their. The Chinese characters where imprinted or stamped with punches o the surface of the coin. This punches indicates that the coins are original and of proper weight.

F.M Rose the author of the book “Chopmark” found the following meanings which he has taken from a variety of coin types. Family Names – academy, arrow, blue, Buddha, Chiang,commodity, dollar, fat, forever, husband, immortal, Jen, master, scholar, silver, speech, star, tendon, Tung. Siamese banker – wealth, wood, and Yong Kim Hong.

He points out that the chopmaking was a time honored tradition in china, especially in Hong Kong, where it was legally recognized. Some of the coins where heavily chopmarked and they became out of shape which resulted in loosing its design.
ivan salis said:
often the chop marks were "individal" marks --used by certain groups or persons --it meant I've checked its silver purity and weight (all they cared about was purity and weight --they did not care who's coin it was) and its A OK -- the chinese were very distrustful and often checked and then rechecked it again if it left their control and came back to them --thus multiple chops of the same type * -- as it when it went from A to B --a differant "chop" would be applied by the new fellow often --

Fascinating bits of history.
Must of been a dog eat dog world in China back in the day.
Thanks!
 
Various merchants would mark the coins with their advertizing to indicate the coin was good silver. I found one about 30 years ago in the same hole with a US Phillipino peso. Only one I've ever found. Good hunting, kane 23
 
Great finds, Kane will go crazy. Up until two weeks ago I had never heard of the Knights of Maccabees I found a gold ring with the Knights of Maccabees emblem now you find a token.
 
l.cutler said:
The chop marks were done by the Chinese merchants when they tested the coin for silver value. Each chop mark would have been done by a different merchant as the coin circulated. They are an interesting part of the coins history but do lower the value.


You beat me to it.... and is a good way to get a discount on an 8 reale.

Love the coin! Love the find! Hate the marks.
 
Thats awesome !! :icon_thumleft: :headbang:

Keep @ it and HH !! :D ;D
 

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