Treasure Mountain, CO - Lost Frenchmens Gold

[Ramiro valdez]

Don't worry about the phone call RV I got way better place to go to. Maybe GS74 will give you a call.

yeah! I hear you! Just post the location or give me a pin location! LOL! I got you with that phone number! LOL! You're just another treasure hunter wanting information for yourself like most! I don't see why you're acting like you're trying to help others? This community is the same as the Beal treasure thread!

 

[Mattock]

yeah! I hear you! Just post the location or give me a pin location! LOL! I got you with that phone number! LOL! You're just another treasure hunter wanting information for yourself like most! I don't see why you're acting like you're trying to help others? This community is the same as the Beal treasure thread!

You better quit why your ahead you are just digging yourself a bigger hole Amigo. I believe you think I am some punk bitch who just fell off the banana boat. That mountain is no place to go mess around on.

 

[solomon grundy]

yeah! I hear you! Just post the location or give me a pin location! LOL! I got you with that phone number! LOL! You're just another treasure hunter wanting information for yourself like most! I don't see why you're acting like you're trying to help others? This community is the same as the Beal treasure thread!

well since you are feuding with Cyzak i am the obvious choice to keep the honor and glory for all here. unlike Cyzak and his banana boat history I am pure and hopeful. you DM the coordinates and i can go tonight. Solomon is a friend. The mountain will welcome us. To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.

or we can call Josh Gates and do an Expedition Unknown on it, kinda live and documentary style for all to find the history. Cyzak might hide in the bushes and take pot shots at us so security might be needed. We could file a treasure permit for the site, stuff like Prospecting activities, especially those involving surface disturbance, may require a Plan of Operations (POO), which is more extensive than a Notice of Intent (NOI). Permits often require financial warranties, such as a Certificate of Deposit, Check for Deposit, or Corporate Surety, to ensure reclamation of disturbed areas. Another options is to contact the Geosciences Department at Adams State University and get them involved. Finally this was Ute so a discussion on their level of involvement is needed. The real treasure is the friends we make along the way.

 

[Mattock]

well since you are feuding with Cyzak i am the obvious choice to keep the honor and glory for all here. unlike Cyzak and his banana boat history I am pure and hopeful. you DM the coordinates and i can go tonight. Solomon is a friend. The mountain will welcome us. To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.

or we can call Josh Gates and do an Expedition Unknown on it, kinda live and documentary style for all to find the history. Cyzak might hide in the bushes and take pot shots at us so security might be needed. We could file a treasure permit for the site, stuff like Prospecting activities, especially those involving surface disturbance, may require a Plan of Operations (POO), which is more extensive than a Notice of Intent (NOI). Permits often require financial warranties, such as a Certificate of Deposit, Check for Deposit, or Corporate Surety, to ensure reclamation of disturbed areas. Another options is to contact the Geosciences Department at Adams State University and get them involved. Finally this was Ute so a discussion on their level of involvement is needed. The real treasure is the friends we make along the way.

That is an awesome plan SG and get all the information you can from RV. And you being from Dutch descent that will be like an invisible armor on you up in the mountains. Nothing will get attached. Just be careful of the other people that will be around you that sometimes it will attach to them but not you. And all those agencies get them involved too and don’t forget the historical society. These agencies will be so helpful and provide you with so much information. It’ll be unbelievable. And please don’t be worried about me being up there. I will not be within 100 miles of that place ever. Hakuna Matata Amigo’s

 

[markmar]

Cyzak, if you want to give a look at the place I found by deciphering the LeBlanc map, which is using Spanish codes for treasure maps, I will be glad to PM you the spot. IMHO, it's worth to go there, at least a good trip close to known camps and roads.
And this just for the sake of treasure hunting.

 

[Mattock]

Cyzak, if you want to give a look at the place I found by deciphering the LeBlanc map, which is using Spanish codes for treasure maps, I will be glad to PM you the spot. IMHO, it's worth to go there, at least a good trip close to known camps and roads.
And this just for the sake of treasure hunting.

I will be in contact, sir. I’ve always known you to be a very reputable person throughout the years.

 

[Goldseeker74]

Cyzak, if you want to give a look at the place I found by deciphering the LeBlanc map, which is using Spanish codes for treasure maps, I will be glad to PM you the spot. IMHO, it's worth to go there, at least a good trip close to known camps and roads.
And this just for the sake of treasure hunting.

Markmar: I would also like to have a look at the place you have found. Can you send me a message? I have been out there searching for the last 6 years. The terrain is definitely rugged! I give a of credit to those mountain men and explorers who were out in the wilderness before there were any roads or even set trails.

 

[markmar]

Markmar: I would also like to have a look at the place you have found. Can you send me a message? I have been out there searching for the last 6 years. The terrain is definitely rugged! I give a of credit to those mountain men and explorers who were out in the wilderness before there were any roads or even set trails.

Hello Goldseeker74

As I wrote in another threads, I don't use to give a spot to many, and this to avoid the competition and what any bad things could emerge from that. Cyzac was the first person who asked me for the spot, so the only option for you is to come to an agreement with him.
I'm sorry I can't help you but these are my principles.

 

[Goldseeker74]

Hello Goldseeker74

As I wrote in another threads, I don't use to give a spot to many, and this to avoid the competition and what any bad things could emerge from that. Cyzac was the first person who asked me for the spot, so the only option for you is to come to an agreement with him.
I'm sorry I can't help you but these are my principles.

I will be in contact, sir. I’ve always known you to be a very reputable person throughout the years.

Cyzak, if you want to give a look at the place I found by deciphering the LeBlanc map, which is using Spanish codes for treasure maps, I will be glad to PM you the spot. IMHO, it's worth to go there, at least a good trip close to known camps and roads.
And this just for the sake of treasure hunting.

Cyzak:
Would you mind reaching out me? I would like to chat with you about markmars decipher of the LeBlanc map I will be out there all summer.
Goldseeker74

 

[Randy Bradford]

Just for the record - I believe "Xanthus Carson" was one of the many pen names used by Gladwell Richardson (aka "Maurice Kildare").

KvonM wrote about a series of lost mine articles written by a woman for a wire service (something to do with "Phantom" in the title) published by several Colorado newspapers in the 1930's. He said modern treasure yarns are based on these pieces. When I first started reading this thread I thought one of hers was the seed. I'll look this up and see if I can come up with more information.

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Steamboat Pilot May 26, 1938

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

We were both wrong Fred, Xanthus Carson is a pen name for Kit Carson, who wrote for Westerns and Treasure mags in the late 1960s and 1970s....he was actually named Treasure Hunter of the Year by the Treasure Trove Club of Raymond Dow fame.

 

[Ryano]

According to this 1960 New York newspaper, Dow amassed a massive treasure library and due to his numerous expeditions and treasure quests, was referred to as a subject matter expert by the Library of Congress and The Smithsonian ! Unfortunately he always came home empty-handed.

Source:

Raymond Dow New York Daily News 7 Aug 1960

Clipping found in Daily News published in New York, New York on 8/7/1960. Raymond Dow New York Daily News 7 Aug 1960

www.newspapers.com

 

[Mattock]

The thrill of discovering something new can be exhilarating, but it fades relatively quickly. The true value of a treasure is what it brings to your life, the joy, security, or inspiration it provides.

 

[Randy Bradford]

According to this 1960 New York newspaper, Dow amassed a massive treasure library and due to his numerous expeditions and treasure quests, was referred to as a subject matter expert by the Library of Congress and The Smithsonian ! Unfortunately he always came home empty-handed.

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Source:

Raymond Dow New York Daily News 7 Aug 1960

Clipping found in Daily News published in New York, New York on 8/7/1960. Raymond Dow New York Daily News 7 Aug 1960

www.newspapers.com

Raymond Dow was affiliated with Robert Nesmith, who famously operated the Foul Anchor Archives. Both of them operated in pretty close proximity and were at one time or another affiliated with the Treasure Trove Club of New York.

 

[solomon grundy]

this thread is dead because the legend is dead

 

[Goldseeker74]

Here's a map that shows Spanish territory in the west about 1807. Click on the map and you can zoom in or out. It shows
a corrected route of the Pike Expedition. It shows Pikes Fort and where he was arrested by the Spanish. Pike's fort is about
55 miles ESE of Treasure Mountain.

https://www.loc.gov/item/99446138

Here's a modern map that shows Pike's expedition and how his route compares with the tracks of the Villemont and Lebreau expeditions, as described by Maynard Adams.

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Hey Mdog: Where did this map come from? Is it something you put together yourself?

 

[tamrock]

Here's a possible way to tie the stories together. It seems much more likely that the French explorers would have discovered and exploited gold placer deposits during their Colorado expedition rather than working a lode deposit. This type of scenario is what triggered the California gold rush and others - virgin placer streams were relatively easy to locate and work, with a lot of gold being recovered quickly. The underground lode deposits were found and worked later, and required more time and technology to be successful.

Let's say the French began finding gold in the streams near the Arkansas River headwaters, then moved to westerly, possibly as far as the Elk Mountains mineral deposits (Treasure Mountain 1). The map below shows a highly generalized theoretical route, passing through several areas that proved later to be big producers in Colorado. If the French were the first to discover some of these areas, the pickings could possibly have been easy and lucrative. By the time they circled their way south to the San Luis Valley area, they may have been toting a lot of gold and decided to cache it. Maybe that's where Treasure Mountain 2 comes into play. From the mining district map, it's apparent that no significant mineral deposits have been worked in the Pagosa-Wolf Creek area. This doesn't support the rumor of a rich French mine there, but there would certainly be plenty of caching opportunities. This might explain the variation in the stories' locations - the French may have been active in all of them. Just an unproved theory.

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Colorado School of Mines map

I like your theory sdcfia. It aligns with much of what I've have often thought makes sense on how mineral exploration would be done during those times. In a few more days this thread will reach its tenths year.🎆