Rediscovery of an Apache-Buried Mine

[geronimosgold]

Hey Robert! This is so fascinating! I just purchased your paperback book on Amazon to have a physical copy and to support you as a fellow author and treasure hunter. Can't wait to read the whole story. Here's the Amazon link if others want one.

And I'm also a cartographer too if you're looking for a private map design collaboration of the mine and overall property. Love the graphics on your website: https://geronimosgold.com and that cut away illustration. Well done.

Find me at: https://www.karpovagecreative.com/custommaps

Much continued success to you!
Michael

Michael, thanks!

Your historic maps are nice! I have at least ten maps or satellite views in the book (two examples below) which I used "gimp" to alter, but I'm no expert, and these could use some improvement. We should talk. 🙂

- Robert

 

[bc5391]

Not sure how the forest service could stop you if you filed a load claim, a 20 acre claim would grant you access to drill, excavate or remove mine waste from the site.
That peacock ore is a good sign of mineralization, as well as the others. I would crush and pan to see what you have, if nothing shows, then roast the crushed material before you dump it and pan again. Look closely at the ore with a magnifier, to see if there is any free mill gold, otherwise it may all be in sulfides..

Buy something like this and drill multiple holes to test for the best spots. https://buydrillbits.com/products/i...V0DG-HlhO2-B62piLHNZADPhm8wEOE2IaAidxEALw_wcB

 

[Michael Karpovage]

Michael, thanks!

Your historic maps are nice! I have at least ten maps or satellite views in the book (two examples below) which I used "gimp" to alter, but I'm no expert, and these could use some improvement. We should talk. 🙂

- Robert

Robert, thanks so much! Yeah your graphics could definitely use a little design boost. lol. I created these maps for a WWII book author and it's a great example of how you can tell the story in maps from a zoomed out national and regional level, right down to a small property area showing details (like my Dom Bütgenbach battle map and using icons): https://www.karpovagecreative.com/copy-of-portfolio/historical-&-thematic-maps

Give me a shout at my company email: michael@karpovagecreative.com and let's talk more!

 

[E-Trac-Ohio]

Good luck with your hunt !

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

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[russau]

Welcome to the site !GREAT STORY to read ! Wish you well in your quest and I see a book or a movie coming out of this ! HOPEFULLY ! I'm going to search for your book on APPLE BOOKS !

Yep I bought a copy and it got here yesterday, I'm on page 14 and I love it ! THANKYOU !

 

[sdcfia]

Interesting! It seems Nino was ten years old when Geronimo ordered the burial of the Guadalupe mine. Since Nino lived in Mescalero Apache land in the right time period, that book could very well contain some details related to the Guadalupe site. I'm going to check this out. My main sources thus for have been W.C. Jameson, Patrick Dearen, Thomas Penfield, and John D. Mitchell, but I'm always looking for more history, as these accounts have thus far been surprisingly helpful in narrowing down where to dig. Thank you for the reference.

Be careful about The First Hundred Years of Niño Cochise, (1971) by Ciyé “Niño” Cochise, as told to A. Kinney Griffith. Yes, it is a provocative book, but it was discovered “Niño” was an imposter named Robert Lee Majors. Majors’ material cannot be relied on since much of it was likely fabricated.

 

[sdcfia]

Not sure how the forest service could stop you if you filed a load claim, a 20 acre claim would grant you access to drill, excavate or remove mine waste from the site.
. . .

The FS will likely require a work plan to be permitted. This can get "political" depending on the particular jurisdiction.

 

[autofull]

i have read the book and find it interesting. i wish i was young enough to go help out. i always wondered at geronimos statement. i dunno about sublett except it matches.

 

[Michael Karpovage]

Robert, just finished your book and left a 5-Star Amazon review:

What a great read for treasure hunters and adventurers.

"An incredible story to keep the knowledge of this mysterious mine alive for its next chapter in rediscovery. Robert Cline wrote an indisputable account completely validating the existence of the famed Geronimo Mine – the same mine Spanish conquistadors worked back in the late 1600s. His painstaking, highly detailed research taken from past expeditions, witnesses, a skeleton, and mineral evidence, as well as he and his own family's endeavors all create a story that is rich as the gold still hidden beneath its surface.

Very well written and easy to comprehend, even for those not versed in mining terminology and extract. I was personally shocked when I read how our own government agencies filled this mine in under the guise of 'safety first.' How appalling and disgusting and defeating that must have been when the author learned of this atrocity. But that did NOT stop him from pursuing it even if it meant he would use his bare hands to dig further. What a great read for treasure hunters and adventurers. I hope one day Robert can reclaim the mine and truly go deep to find the fortune that awaits." – Michael Karpovage, author of The Tununda Mysteries

 

[russau]

i have read the book and find it interesting. i wish i was young enough to go help out. i always wondered at geronimos statement. i dunno about sublett except it matches.

OH BOY wouldn't we all like to be involved with it ! BUT for me at 79, beat up ole disable Veit Nam Vet waiting to go into total shoulder replacement and lots of other things I don't think it would be a smart thing for me to do ! GREAT BOOK & STORY ! BEST I'VE READ IN YEARS ! Hey we could go as a cheer leading group !

 

[geronimosgold]

Thanks, guys! I appreciate the encouragement. Russau, a cheerleading group is absolutely welcome. 😊When I get permission to dig again, it would be neat to take some of you up there to see the site, even if you can't dig. Based on all the evidence and the known underground structure, I have a hard time believing there's more than five feet left to go. I just need one person up top pulling up the bucket.

 

[SorenCoins]

Thanks, guys! I appreciate the encouragement. Russau, a cheerleading group is absolutely welcome. 😊When I get permission to dig again, it would be neat to take some of you up there to see the site, even if you can't dig. Based on all the evidence and the known underground structure, I have a hard time believing there's more than five feet left to go. I just need one person up top pulling up the bucket.

Robert,

This is my first time logging back in to TreasureNet to leave a comment, but this is exceptionally exciting news, and I could not help but initiate some form of correspondence and to offer a hand where my expertise may be helpful. While I have heard of the stories of this lost mine in passing, I would be remiss to say I am an expert in it. Your website and book provide a great wealth of information, and I thank you for compiling so much and keeping this compelling endeavor going.

I would love to help contribute to this project as much as my expertise allows. I am a recently-graduated student with two degrees in geology and archaeology. I have an extensive background in geological fieldwork, archaeological excavation, dataset analysis, and laboratory analyses of both geological and archaeological samples. In September, I am beginning a PhD in geochemistry, but I will be available here or over email to help in any way I can!

It sounds like there may be some logistical hiccups to overcome, but let's keep in touch, and reach out if you ever need any help

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Robert,

This is my first time logging back in to TreasureNet to leave a comment, but this is exceptionally exciting news, and I could not help but initiate some form of correspondence and to offer a hand where my expertise may be helpful. While I have heard of the stories of this lost mine in passing, I would be remiss to say I am an expert in it. Your website and book provide a great wealth of information, and I thank you for compiling so much and keeping this compelling endeavor going.

I would love to help contribute to this project as much as my expertise allows. I am a recently-graduated student with two degrees in geology and archaeology. I have an extensive background in geological fieldwork, archaeological excavation, dataset analysis, and laboratory analyses of both geological and archaeological samples. In September, I am beginning a PhD in geochemistry, but I will be available here or over email to help in any way I can!

It sounds like there may be some logistical hiccups to overcome, but let's keep in touch, and reach out if you ever need any help

Well geology knowledge might help…

 

[geronimosgold]

Robert,

This is my first time logging back in to TreasureNet to leave a comment, but this is exceptionally exciting news, and I could not help but initiate some form of correspondence and to offer a hand where my expertise may be helpful. While I have heard of the stories of this lost mine in passing, I would be remiss to say I am an expert in it. Your website and book provide a great wealth of information, and I thank you for compiling so much and keeping this compelling endeavor going.

I would love to help contribute to this project as much as my expertise allows. I am a recently-graduated student with two degrees in geology and archaeology. I have an extensive background in geological fieldwork, archaeological excavation, dataset analysis, and laboratory analyses of both geological and archaeological samples. In September, I am beginning a PhD in geochemistry, but I will be available here or over email to help in any way I can!

It sounds like there may be some logistical hiccups to overcome, but let's keep in touch, and reach out if you ever need any help

Soren,

Your expertise is exactly what I need. I'd love your help. I've spent the past year collecting geochemical data in an effort to restore digging permission. Repeatedly finding metal concentrations that experts have said shouldn't exist here has been kind of fun. 😊 I've gradually moved beyond simple elemental analyses to more advanced testing, though it gets expensive quickly.

The geochemistry of this site is quite unique—not just for the Guadalupes, but for the broader region—so it really deserves further study. The various geologists who've looked at it haven't even agreed on the deposit model, which makes it all the more interesting. If you haven't settled on a PhD thesis yet, this might make an interesting one. I have enough rock samples in my garage to fill a museum, and I'd be happy to send you some.

I'll send you a private message.

- Robert

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Soren,

Your expertise is exactly what I need. I'd love your help. I've spent the past year collecting geochemical data in an effort to restore digging permission. Repeatedly finding metal concentrations that experts have said shouldn't exist here has been kind of fun. 😊 I've gradually moved beyond simple elemental analyses to more advanced testing, though it gets expensive quickly.

The geochemistry of this site is quite unique—not just for the Guadalupes, but for the broader region—so it really deserves further study. The various geologists who've looked at it haven't even agreed on the deposit model, which makes it all the more interesting. If you haven't settled on a PhD thesis yet, this might make an interesting one. I have enough rock samples in my garage to fill a museum, and I'd be happy to send you some.

I'll send you a private message.

- Robert

I like how this is developing

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Not sure how the forest service could stop you if you filed a load claim, a 20 acre claim would grant you access to drill, excavate or remove mine waste from the site.
That peacock ore is a good sign of mineralization, as well as the others. I would crush and pan to see what you have, if nothing shows, then roast the crushed material before you dump it and pan again. Look closely at the ore with a magnifier, to see if there is any free mill gold, otherwise it may all be in sulfides..

Buy something like this and drill multiple holes to test for the best spots. https://buydrillbits.com/products/i...V0DG-HlhO2-B62piLHNZADPhm8wEOE2IaAidxEALw_wcB

Have you successfully done these things on valid mining claims located on USFS managed lands on any scale that would draw their attention?

 

[russau]

Robert I hope your dreams & reality come to gether and you get your claim finalized ! and I hope you see the hole opened up and the reward follows you and your family ! CONGRADULATIONS The bood is GREAT & when you get the paperwork ,I'm sure you will see the rewards that it will bring you ! I can't wait to hear the results of your adventure! ! In my 79 years of reading treasure / lost gold mines , I've never seen one draw as much excitement as this story of facts that your family has experienced! GOD BLESS you and your family & we are sitting here waiting to hear the god news and see your rewards come forth ! BREAKOUT THE CHAMPAIN !

 

[bc5391]

Have you successfully done these things on valid mining claims located on USFS managed lands on any scale that would draw their attention?

I have sampled, both load and placer, on Forrest service and BLM. I have not found any land that would be worth my time to blast away at any mountain. If I was younger and found 1 oz per ton, yes it would be worth is to file a claim, then get permits to blast. A load mine is a rich mans game, takes lots of manpower and machinery to make a profit. A placer is the poor mans way of mining, a pan and sluice and you are in business.
Any more I go over old waste dumps, If I find anything interesting, I bring it home and crush it (by hand) I sold my rock crusher years ago. I've set up my drywasher on many of BLM and USFS land and spent days without any intent of claiming. Just fill your holes and nobody will bother you, if they stop, your answer is you are testing a prospect..

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I have sampled, both load and placer, on Forrest service and BLM. I have not found any land that would be worth my time to blast away at any mountain. If I was younger and found 1 oz per ton, yes it would be worth is to file a claim, then get permits to blast. A load mine is a rich mans game, takes lots of manpower and machinery to make a profit. A placer is the poor mans way of mining, a pan and sluice and you are in business.
Any more I go over old waste dumps, If I find anything interesting, I bring it home and crush it (by hand) I sold my rock crusher years ago. I've set up my drywasher on many of BLM and USFS land and spent days without any intent of claiming. Just fill your holes and nobody will bother you, if they stop, your answer is you are testing a prospect..

Ok then, that’s an under the radar intermittent operation. The reason I asked is because I have met several people that the USFS waited them out till they died with studies, permits, stalling, etc. very sad and I keep being told “someone needs to let Trump know”. Great wealth and life changing chances are out there only to be squashed by brain dead gov. employees. That’s not inline with the American spirit. These miners agreed to incredibly restrictive conditions only to be met by another then another.