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Rediscovery of an Apache-Buried Mine

Ok then, that’s an under the radar intermittent operation. The reason I asked is because I have met several people that the USFS waited them out till they died with studies, permits, stalling, etc. very sad and I keep being told “someone needs to let Trump know”. Great wealth and life changing chances are out there only to be squashed by brain dead gov. employees. That’s not inline with the American spirit. These miners agreed to incredibly restrictive conditions only to be met by another then another.
Why would you say it is under the radar? USFS and BLM land is public land and is open to mineral claims, unless that area is withdrawn. To go into a withdrawn area to dig, regardless if it is for artifacts or minerals is then a crime. If the area is Not withdrawn, then it is open to all.
 
Why would you say it is under the radar? USFS and BLM land is public land and is open to mineral claims, unless that area is withdrawn. To go into a withdrawn area to dig, regardless if it is for artifacts or minerals is then a crime. If the area is Not withdrawn, then it is open to all.
I said that because it presumably was not done under a permitting process. They do manage the surface for the public. It was not done under the scrutiny of their magnifying glass (as actively mining would). Was not saying you were doing anything illegal.
 
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Ok then, that’s an under the radar intermittent operation. The reason I asked is because I have met several people that the USFS waited them out till they died with studies, permits, stalling, etc. very sad and I keep being told “someone needs to let Trump know”. Great wealth and life changing chances are out there only to be squashed by brain dead gov. employees. That’s not inline with the American spirit. These miners agreed to incredibly restrictive conditions only to be met by another then another.
The previous Forest Service district ranger knew my family's story and was supportive, provided I followed the regulations—which I have. I've never done anything to harm the environment. In fact, my proposed work involves moving just 2–4 cubic meters of fill dirt, essentially restoring a small part of the site to its original form. I have a lot of respect for the Forest Service and the work they do. I simply believe this can be done with little to no environmental impact, so I hope it can be evaluated on its own merits and the geological evidence, which I believe is quite strong. As for Trump, if someone has political contacts who can help ensure it gets a fair look, that's certainly an avenue worth exploring.
 
When compared with all 42 Guadalupe Mountains locations in the USGS database, the Apache-buried site ranks first in the reported concentration of 15 different metals. Details here:
 
Hello, Geronimosgold

I hope you have claims or a mining lease at the site. If you have, you might be able to cut a partnership deal with a junior mining exploration company. They would have the skills, capital, and expertise to do an extensive drilling program to determine the size of the ore body, and that really matters. The bigger the deposit, the more attractive it is to larger mining companies with assets to develop the site. If you have a mining lease for a large area around the site, you can cut a deal with a mining company for private royalties. A junior exploration company will partner with you by giving you its company shares for a mining lease.

Exploration and Feasibility Studies


Geological Surveys: Conducting geological surveys to identify mineral deposits.
Drilling and Sampling: Drilling and analyzing samples to determine the size and quality of the deposit.
Feasibility Studies: Economic, environmental, and technical assessments to determine the viability of the project.
Permits and Licenses: Securing necessary regulatory approvals.

Development and Construction

Infrastructure: Building roads, power supplies, water systems, and other infrastructure.
Mine Construction: Developing the mine site, including stripping overburden (for surface mining) or constructing shafts and tunnels (for underground mining).
Processing Facilities: Building processing plants to extract the minerals from the ore.
Equipment and Machinery: Purchasing and installing heavy machinery and equipment.

Operational costs.

Labor: Hiring and paying salaries for workers and management.
Consumables: Costs of explosives, fuel, lubricants, and other consumables.
Maintenance: Ongoing maintenance and repair of equipment and facilities.
Utilities: Electricity, water, and other utilities required for operations.
Logistics: Transportation of the mined material to processing facilities or markets.

Environmental and Social Costs

Environmental Management: Implementing measures to mitigate environmental impacts, such as waste management and land rehabilitation.
Community Engagement: Costs associated with community relations and compensation.

Taxes and Royalties
Government Taxes: Paying taxes to local, regional, and national governments.
Royalties: Payments to landowners or governments based on a percentage of revenue or profits.

Cost Estimates

Providing specific cost estimates can be challenging without detailed project information, but here are some general figures for different types of mining projects:

Small to Medium-Scale Surface Mining: Costs can range from $500,000 to $10 million.
Large-Scale Surface Mining: Costs can exceed $100 million.
Small to Medium-Scale Underground Mining: Costs can range from $1 million to $20 million.
Large-Scale Underground Mining: Costs can exceed $200 million.


A mine site with 15 different metals (a highly complex polymetallic deposit) is incredibly expensive to develop.

While the sheer diversity offers a hedge against shifting market prices, the upfront costs and technical complexities can be staggering compared to a single-commodity mine. Unless you have capital of about 100 million or more, I cannot see it progressing.

Complex Processing Plants: Extracting 15 different metals usually means you cannot rely on one standard method, such as simple heap leaching. The site generally requires a massive, multi-stage processing facility with varied circuits (like sequential flotation, pressure oxidation, or solvent extraction) to separate and purify each valuable element. Construction costs for these greenfield processing plants typically range from hundreds of millions to billions of dollars.

Intricate Metallurgy: Getting the metals out of the ore without destroying or contaminating the other valuable elements is difficult. Research and testing alone to figure out the exact chemical recipe for the mill can take years and cost tens of millions. That is why you need a junior exploration miner to come on board. Costlier Exploration: Outlining 15 different metals requires extensive core drilling and analysis, which dramatically elevates pre-production expenses.

Another problem you're going to face is Tailings and Waste Management: Separating so many metals often produces a larger volume of distinct waste streams. Handling and safely storing these materials—especially if they contain reactive elements—requires highly engineered, expensive tailings storage facilities.

Despite the high capital expenditure (CAPEX), these mines are often massive and can be highly lucrative over their multi-decade lifespans. By selling 15 different metals, the operation hedges against market volatility. If the price of one metal drops, profits from the other fourteen can keep the mine highly cash-flow positive.

If you have mining leases and permits your in a position to make a deal for percentage mining royalties. Mining royalties vary significantly by jurisdiction, commodity, and whether the fee is based on volume or a percentage of the total value. In major mining hubs like Australia, companies generally pay between 2.5% and 10% of the mineral's value, though peak rates can scale higher.

State Royalties in USA : Each state sets its own royalty rates for state-owned lands. For example, Nevada imposes net proceeds of minerals taxes up to 5%, while Utah assesses metalliferous minerals at 2.6% of gross value. Private Royalties: Extracted via fee lands. Mining companies and private landowners negotiate royalties privately, usually structured as a Net Smelter Return (NSR) or Gross Overriding Royalty (GOR), which typically range from 1% to 5%

Private royalty structures usually fall into one of these common categories:

If you hold private mineral rights, mining companies typically pay you a negotiated royalty of 1% to 10%+ of the gross revenue, or a set dollar amount per tonne, depending on the mineral. The exact rate is established via a private lease agreement between you and the mining operator.

Net Smelter Return (NSR): A percentage of the revenue from the sale of the minerals minus specific processing and transportation costs.

Crow
 
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Another thing to consider is your intentions. Is it to just sell a book or develop a mine? As soon as you portray the mine site as a First Nations connection, you're leaving yourself open to claims from First Nations parties as future royalty claimants on any future mine development. That has the potential to eat into your royalty claims if a mine actually goes ahead.

Crow
 
Crow, thanks for the reply and the advice!

My goal isn't to sell a book. It's to document and preserve the history of the site, finish the quest my family started 100 years ago, and let others know what is really here. Even without a mining company I feel I could accomplish that if my digging plan is approved, but I'm open to anything really. I haven't thought too far ahead.

The comparison wasn't meant to suggest all 15 metals are economic ore grades. Most are not. It was simply intended to gauge the overall level of enrichment compared to every other analyzed location in the Guadalupe Mountains and better illustrate how unique this site is.

My surface samples vary dramatically over just 40 yards, suggesting a complex system with different mineralized zones. Since I'm only sampling the surface, there's no way to know what's concentrated deeper in the core of the breccia pipe. The gold specialist geologist who studied the site believes the mineralization follows well-defined paths that could potentially be mined with precision, much like the early miners appear to have done. Even if only the gold were targeted, the miners appear to have extracted it successfully using primitive crushing and heating techniques.
 

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