What is this?? Bullet??

[zjkm10]

I found this on a dig but not sure if it is a bullet or how old??

 

[AU Seeker]

Hi Picket, No such animal in a "Rim Fire" with that large of a caliber. 22 Calibers are rim fire.

Yes there is albeit very old.

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[ncsuwolf]

It is probably from a .41 rimfire cartridge.

You may well be correct.

 

[pistol-pete]

40 S&W and 10mm are both .400 bullet dia. However never heard of a lead bulleted one, all jacketed.
Mineshaft need some education , Rimfire bullets came in all calibers up to 58 cal. in the U.S. an world.
Could be a 41 Swiss Rifle Rimfire, however to short for that. looking in the book "Cartridges of the World"
there are several others it could be.

 

[flyflys]

Take several different measurement around the bullet and give us an average (of at least where you think it’s the most accurate). Bullet has been shot, so there’s been deformation, and it has oxidation/patina. I’m sticking with a .38

Yeah, I’m leaning toward .38 too. The deformation makes it a bit tricky to tell for sure, so taking a few measurements sounds like a good idea.

 

[Mine Shaft]

40 S&W and 10mm are both .400 bullet dia. However never heard of a lead bulleted one, all jacketed.
Mineshaft need some education , Rimfire bullets came in all calibers up to 58 cal. in the U.S. an world.
Could be a 41 Swiss Rifle Rimfire, however to short for that. looking in the book "Cartridges of the World"
there are several others it could be.

I am educated in firearms and you stated All bullets came in rimfire which is not true and a lot of calibers were rimfire which I did not know but those calibers were from the 19th century.

 

[Retired Sarge]

Hi Picket, No such animal in a "Rim Fire" with that large of a caliber. 22 Calibers are rim fire.

The Swiss Vetterli takes a Swiss 41 aka 10.4X38 round and yes it's a rim fire round. My Model 1969/71 Vetterli was made in 1879. Modern shooters of these rifles, modify their rim fire firing pin to a center fire configuration and shoot modern made center fire ammo. Due to the fact manufacturers can't make reliable rim fire ammo for these rifles.

First picture Swiss 41 next to a 577 Snider-Enfield round, from my collection.

Second picture same rounds next to a 12 Gauge shell for size comparison, from my collection.

Third picture from the internet showing it's a rim fire.

 

[Picketwire]

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The only .38 caliber bullet that is .401 is the 38-40 which never ever used a pointed bullet as it was used in tube magazine rifles. The .38 special is only .358 and I haven't ever seen a pointed bullet there either, for the same reason and I have recovered a lot of the shot ones and none have expanded to .40 even when shot a magnum velocities. If a bullet could expand that much, the point would be smashed. The .40 S&W is .40 caliber and I have bullet molds that throw non jacketed bullets but like it, the 10mm, and the .41 magnum, never with a bullet that short and pointed. Since it has rifling marks showing it was fired, the .41 derringer is the most likely firearm. The velocity was so low it didn't even flatten the point.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Hi Picket, No such animal in a "Rim Fire" with that large of a caliber. 22 Calibers are rim fire.

The 41 Rim Fire is in the family of cartridges chambered in derringers and small revolvers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The 41 Rim Fire family was first introduced by the National Arms Co. in 1863 as the 41 Short, chambered in their derringer. In 1873 the slightly more powerful 41 Long was introduced in the Colt New Line pocket revolver. There was a 25 Stevens, 32 Short, Long, and Extra Long, 38 Rim Fire in Short, Long and Extra Long variety, 41 Swiss, the 44 Henry, 50 Remington, the 56-50 Spencer, 56-52 Spencer, 56-56 Spencer, not an exhaustive list, but there were many rimfire cartridges in calibers other than 22.

 

[crashbandicoot]

I am educated in firearms and you stated All bullets came in rimfire which is not true and a lot of calibers were rimfire which I did not know but those calibers were from the 19th cent

I am educated in firearms and you stated All bullets came in rimfire which is not true and a lot of calibers were rimfire which I did not know but those calibers were from the 19th century.

Pistol-Pete stated that rimfires came in all calibers, not that all bullets came in rimfire, which is true, rimfires were produced with bullets from 22 up to 1 inch in diameter. Being from the 19th Century is irrelevant, as many of the items found by metal detectors are from the 19th century. Including bullets.