Where are the Dowsers Finds???

[ClonedSIM]

I can guarantee you that if a dowser popped up one day with pictures of a handful of dirty coins and
maybe a ring or two he wouldn't be questioned, because this is a rational claim. Yet, this never happens..

You GUARANTEE??

Hmm.....am I seeing correctly? You did say a DOWSING FIND of a handful of dirty coins would be a RATIONAL CLAIM.....didn't you? ... .... ..... ....

Yes, Judy, I did. Did I use too many big words for you??

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Now, assuming these things are truths, where are the finds you've made employing these methods, dowsers?

No! I do not show my finds on this forum. I will be banned permanently. Is that what you want? Dell

Care to elaborate on this, Dell? Is there a rule in the TOS of TreasureNet that states you'll be banned for showing dowsing finds? Of course I don't want you banned, but I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[ClonedSIM]

What? Really??

I concede that your methods and devices work just as you say, and still no responses with finds? Did I shock everyone to death by actually agreeing with you?

 

[teleprospector]

There are so many threads and posts under this topic, but I don't see any posts devoted to the finds a dowser made today? Or yesterday? Or last week?

Sure, there are a few 20 and 30-year-old picture floating around that dowsers drag out all the time, but are there no finds being made by dowsers now?? I mean, come on, you guys go on and on about dowsing theory, yet not one of you can say how or even why dowsing should work, and all this posturing and pontification never results in a single find. Maybe you guys just like to talk about how much more enlightened you are than the rest of the population, but you're so busy doing that you forget to actually go out and dig anything up?

As it's been mentioned, not all dowsers will choose to post pictures of their finds. That is the case with some metal detectorists as well.
For me, while information dowsing, I consider any response from the instruments as a successful find wether the answer is yes/no in the field or in my dowsing room.
This can be compared to a metal detectorist researching a site, collecting information and finding out what is useful and what is not.
Jon

 

[An Ri Rua]

We all know how this game is played….When we answer a question some how the post we answered has been Modified or Deleted so our answer sounds stupid….What some people put on here is far from the truth. I will be hearing about this MRI for a long time but I did not say one thing about an MRI….Back on Ignore af… I have to say that you have become so far out that you do not pass the debating test…Art

My sentiments exactly.

This is not an invitation to the OP to discuss anything with me as I have him on Ignore for quite a while now. But because of the number of posts, I was intrigued and took a look.

Why is the argument constantly 'prove it to me' ? Do skeptics ask for posted proofs for ALL claims made on Tnet? No. Do they ask detectorists to post proofs that they got permission to detect, proofs that the poster did detect the find and didn't just copy pictures from elsewhere on the web and say 'look what I found' or proof that the MD'er didn't watch someone else bury the cache and then dig it up? It is not the same thing but it is a useful metaphor in that I don't see ANYONE doubting most MD finds. "Where are the finds?" is a further step in holding that jaundiced view of others' contributions to an open forum. How do we prove most of the finds on Tnet? What could the possible advantages be to dowsers on this forum (do not point to those with commercial connections as that is below the belt in my view) in promoting the art of dowsing? Are we part of some conspiracy or affiliate scheme with those with commercial connections? Its pathetic and I'm sure its not gone unnoticed to the mods. What positive vibes or info/techniques have you brought to Tnet? Where is the general goodwill that Thunters should have for one another?

It shouldn't constantly come down to this 'show me' attitude. Why does it though? How is my dowsing affecting any skeptic's life? Your life? I am not charging you or claiming undue acclaim and stealing your limelight. No dowser here blows their trumpet. We just claim to find things by means as yet not fully explained. Why is that so hard to take? I suppose some are made to be followers and some are leaders. Why wait until science dots the i's and crosses the t's before you try something for yourselves? I've already alluded to, in another post, the fact that Marconi was committed for a few weeks by his concerned friends because he was foolishly claiming he could probably pass human voices through the ether i.e. radio. When Edison was asked what electricity was (and this is paraphrased), he expressed that he didn't know but that it was wonderful in its uses. It wouldn't be scientific if we didn't dig down to find how things work. But why ask a pilot how the plane is put together and works? or how flight is possible, in minute detail? He/she won't know, most usually? So why do you persist with that questioning, though not on this thread? Go commission a scientist to find out; how not a 2-bit magician, mind you? This line of 'debate' with your kind is just tedious

Yes, I'd love to see loads of finds on Tnet, but I've seen plenty offline and by email / pm. I will also never post any finds; for reasons of scorn by those who should try to know better and also by reason of current law here.

Why not try to dowse, skeptics? Upside, you might find it works for you if you practice. Downside? Couldn't look yourself in the eye in the mirror?

I understand your posting the question. I understand the reluctance of dowsers to post finds too. I try to understand but unfortunately cannot understand your fear of trying things that others explicitly state how to do (not how it works, take a chill pill). Were science to someday say 'this is how dowsing works', would skeptics then take up rods or continue to rage against the machine? I think its a state of mind. Something's chewing ye up inside.

Peace out

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey An Ri Rua….the Skeptics here seem to think that forums are a debate. Their intent is an exchange of information. A debate is also an exchange of information. One side is pro and the other is con. Each presents their information as they see fit. Then a third party makes a ruling on the subject. The Judges ruling is on who presented their side the best. It has nothing to do about truth or honesty just how good some one presented his case…..Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey An Ri Rua….the Skeptics here seem to think that forums are a debate. Their intent is an exchange of information. A debate is also an exchange of information. One side is pro and the other is con. Each presents their information as they see fit. Then a third party makes a ruling on the subject. The Judges ruling is on who presented their side the best. It has nothing to do about truth or honesty just how good some one presented his case…..Art

This obviously isn't a debate, as there is no judge present. It is an exchange of information, or at least an attempt at one. I'm seeking information, so the real debate comes down to, "What is Art so afraid of?"

 

[ClonedSIM]

There are so many threads and posts under this topic, but I don't see any posts devoted to the finds a dowser made today? Or yesterday? Or last week?

Sure, there are a few 20 and 30-year-old picture floating around that dowsers drag out all the time, but are there no finds being made by dowsers now?? I mean, come on, you guys go on and on about dowsing theory, yet not one of you can say how or even why dowsing should work, and all this posturing and pontification never results in a single find. Maybe you guys just like to talk about how much more enlightened you are than the rest of the population, but you're so busy doing that you forget to actually go out and dig anything up?

As it's been mentioned, not all dowsers will choose to post pictures of their finds. That is the case with some metal detectorists as well.
For me, while information dowsing, I consider any response from the instruments as a successful find wether the answer is yes/no in the field or in my dowsing room.
This can be compared to a metal detectorist researching a site, collecting information and finding out what is useful and what is not.
Jon

Just to clarify, Jon. You consider a dowsing outing a success even if nothing was found? But certainly you turn that "success" into information for future successes?

 

[ClonedSIM]

We all know how this game is played….When we answer a question some how the post we answered has been Modified or Deleted so our answer sounds stupid….What some people put on here is far from the truth. I will be hearing about this MRI for a long time but I did not say one thing about an MRI….Back on Ignore af… I have to say that you have become so far out that you do not pass the debating test…Art
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My sentiments exactly.
Same challenge to you that I offered to Art. Show me a post that I modified in some way to make it appear as though a response to said post appears incorrect.

This is not an invitation to the OP to discuss anything with me as I have him on Ignore for quite a while now. But because of the number of posts, I was intrigued and took a look.
Interesting attitude to have. Accuse someone of lying then run away. You're obviously a man of a strong moral upbringing.

Do skeptics ask for posted proofs for ALL claims made on Tnet? No. Do they ask detectorists to post proofs that they got permission to detect, proofs that the poster did detect the find and didn't just copy pictures from elsewhere on the web and say 'look what I found' or proof that the MD'er didn't watch someone else bury the cache and then dig it up?
It happens. Do your research, little troll.

I understand your posting the question.
Obviously not, from the tone of your post.



Why do dowsers, such open-minded folks as they are, have to resort to calling those liars that do not agree with them?

Why do dowsers, that honest and upstanding group, want to talk about every little thing on Earth when asked to show what they've found? Are they not proud of the things they've found?

P.S. The above questions are hypothetical, since no dowser here has the stones to even attempt an answer. Have a good weekend!

 

[teleprospector]

There are so many threads and posts under this topic, but I don't see any posts devoted to the finds a dowser made today? Or yesterday? Or last week?

Sure, there are a few 20 and 30-year-old picture floating around that dowsers drag out all the time, but are there no finds being made by dowsers now?? I mean, come on, you guys go on and on about dowsing theory, yet not one of you can say how or even why dowsing should work, and all this posturing and pontification never results in a single find. Maybe you guys just like to talk about how much more enlightened you are than the rest of the population, but you're so busy doing that you forget to actually go out and dig anything up?

As it's been mentioned, not all dowsers will choose to post pictures of their finds. That is the case with some metal detectorists as well.
For me, while information dowsing, I consider any response from the instruments as a successful find wether the answer is yes/no in the field or in my dowsing room.
This can be compared to a metal detectorist researching a site, collecting information and finding out what is useful and what is not.
Jon

Just to clarify, Jon. You consider a dowsing outing a success even if nothing was found? But certainly you turn that "success" into information for future successes?

1) Yes, it happens now and then that there is nothing to be found on site, but on a positive note, I'm out on my own/meeting new people, getting excercise and enjoying the whole process. 2) Yes, for future "positive" success. For a humble person, there is always room for improvement.
Jon

 

[aarthrj3811]

1) Yes, it happens now and then that there is nothing to be found on site, but on a positive note, I'm out on my own/meeting new people, getting excercise and enjoying the whole process. 2) Yes, for future "positive" success. For a humble person, there is always room for improvement.
Jon

Hey Jon…Man has always been an explorer. Always trying new things and better ways to do things. When you quite trying you are a loser. At my age the hunt has become more important than the digging. Just knowing it is there gives me great satisfaction.

Going where no man has ever been (finding gold) or digging where only one other person has been is a big part of the excitement. ……Art

 

[teleprospector]

1) Yes, it happens now and then that there is nothing to be found on site, but on a positive note, I'm out on my own/meeting new people, getting excercise and enjoying the whole process. 2) Yes, for future "positive" success. For a humble person, there is always room for improvement.
Jon

Hey Jon…Man has always been an explorer. Always trying new things and better ways to do things. When you quite trying you are a loser. At my age the hunt has become more important than the digging. Just knowing it is there gives me great satisfaction.

Going where no man has ever been (finding gold) or digging where only one other person has been is a big part of the excitement. ……Art

I always look forward to whatever challenges my next project brings.
Jon

 

[aarthrj3811]

I always look forward to whatever challenges my next project brings.
Jon

Hey Jon…It is good to see someone else on this forum that has some common sense…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

I always look forward to whatever challenges my next project brings.
Jon

Hey Jon…It is good to see someone else on this forum that has some common sense…Art

Yep, apparently Jon and I do have more in common than I thought.

 

[ClonedSIM]

There are so many threads and posts under this topic, but I don't see any posts devoted to the finds a dowser made today? Or yesterday? Or last week?

Sure, there are a few 20 and 30-year-old picture floating around that dowsers drag out all the time, but are there no finds being made by dowsers now?? I mean, come on, you guys go on and on about dowsing theory, yet not one of you can say how or even why dowsing should work, and all this posturing and pontification never results in a single find. Maybe you guys just like to talk about how much more enlightened you are than the rest of the population, but you're so busy doing that you forget to actually go out and dig anything up?

As it's been mentioned, not all dowsers will choose to post pictures of their finds. That is the case with some metal detectorists as well.
For me, while information dowsing, I consider any response from the instruments as a successful find wether the answer is yes/no in the field or in my dowsing room.
This can be compared to a metal detectorist researching a site, collecting information and finding out what is useful and what is not.
Jon

Just to clarify, Jon. You consider a dowsing outing a success even if nothing was found? But certainly you turn that "success" into information for future successes?

1) Yes, it happens now and then that there is nothing to be found on site, but on a positive note, I'm out on my own/meeting new people, getting excercise and enjoying the whole process. 2) Yes, for future "positive" success. For a humble person, there is always room for improvement.
Jon

Ahh, a refreshingly honest answer found on this forum. Thanks Jon!

 

[outlaw319]

I wish people would post some pics on here too! To me it would make more people believe in it and try it out for themselves. I understand about not wanting to post the "big" finds because of reasons like worrying about the government wanting to step in and get their hands on it, but some of the small finds would be nice to see. I myself believe dowsing works for some as I seen it done before, but mainly for water and such as that. I've tried it one time when I was bored and made some "L" shaped rods out of some fencing wire and went out to try em out. To my suprise they worked for me, I first walked over the garden hose and they crossed as i went on they spread back apart and this happened many of times for me. Then I tried it out on some coins as I tossed a nickle and a couple of pennies over my shoulder in my driveway and ended up finding everyone of them! So I decided to put it to a real test then as I went and got my wife (the biggest skeptic on anything ) After a few minutes of trying to get her to try this out, I tossed the coins behind her and made her try to find them. She was complaining the whole time that it wont work and I'm an idiot, but then the wires crossed so then I shined the flashlight at the ground and there was the nickle! She then walked around some more and they crossed again, I hit the ground with my flashlight and nothing was there so she backed up and the wires went apart, again she walked foward and they crossed again so I kicked the rocks around and there was a penny that has been there awhile. She was amazed by this time and still being skeptical and trying to prove it was just luck, but after seeing that I knew it wasn't just my mind playing tricks on me since I had an idea where the stuff was that I was looking for. Now do I dows now while out hunting..."NO"...I still use a metal detector as a sure thing, but if I was to see more pics on it and proof then maybe I would get more interested in taking it up as a new adventure.

 

[rubberdiver13]

mine are in the pro-dowsing section....sorry ive only just noticed this section...hee hee , hey there sure are alot of sceptics (boooooo....),mixed in amongst you pros

 

[ClonedSIM]

I received my new dowser Monday, April 7th, I found a 10K Bracelet and a St. Mary's Medal, yesterday. I hope to find a hell of a lot more this summer. I will keep everyone posted. Albert

What kind of dowser did you use to locate these, Albert?

 

[ClonedSIM]

It's one of those that can not be mentioned on this forum. Same machine I had before, I am trying to locate a part for it in the classified. In the next two to three weeks, we will be putting it to the test in South Carolina, maybe even Georgia. I also have several unchecked locations here in Virginia.

Looking for a part for it? Is this one your built yourself, or do you repair them on your own?

 

[stefen]

Nicknamed my machine "The Dowser"....

Only signals on metalic objects...passes over maps and photographs...like they weren't there