Where are the Dowsers Finds???

[aarthrj3811]

Fine, but you can't say the same for me. I can't find anything that suggests a gold nugget would produce any kind of signal. If it were producing some kind of signal, surely this signal could be detected by other means, as well?

Look into Medical Equipment and you may learn something if you can understand the tech talk….Art

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Fine, but you can't say the same for me. I can't find anything that suggests a gold nugget would produce any kind of signal. If it were producing some kind of signal, surely this signal could be detected by other means, as well?

Look into Medical Equipment and you may learn something if you can understand the tech talk….Art

Sure, what type of medial equipment should I focus on, do you know?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Su

re, what type of medial equipment should I focus on, do you know?

Your the non-believer so you figure it out....This is a short list of "Dowsers find" ...

Aluminum, Amethist, Barium, Bismuth, Cadmium, Calcium, Carbon, Chromium Cobalt , Copper, Diamond, Emerald, FI-OP, Garnet, GOLD, Granite, Iridium, Iron
Jasper, Lead , Maganese, Mammoth Tusk , Manganese, Mercury, Molybdenum
Nickel, Palladium, Platinum, Quartz, Rhodium, Ruthenium, Saphire, SILVER
Sodium, Tantalum, Tin, Titanium, Tungsten, Uranium, Vanadium, Zinc
porcelain or pottery, Metorite, Dinosaur Bones, Redwood, Paper Money and
OIL......Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Su

re, what type of medial equipment should I focus on, do you know?

Your the non-believer so you figure it out....This is a short list of "Dowsers find" ...

Aluminum, Amethist, Barium, Bismuth, Cadmium, Calcium, Carbon, Chromium Cobalt , Copper, Diamond, Emerald, FI-OP, Garnet, GOLD, Granite, Iridium, Iron
Jasper, Lead , Maganese, Mammoth Tusk , Manganese, Mercury, Molybdenum
Nickel, Palladium, Platinum, Quartz, Rhodium, Ruthenium, Saphire, SILVER
Sodium, Tantalum, Tin, Titanium, Tungsten, Uranium, Vanadium, Zinc
porcelain or pottery, Metorite, Dinosaur Bones, Redwood, Paper Money and
OIL......Art

You tell me that signal lines exist, and that there's a piece of medical equipment that can detect them. I ask you what piece of medical equipment you're referring to, and you tell me to figure it out for myself since I am a "non-believer" and list a whole slew of various items.

This is why it's so hard to take dowsers seriously. You are purposely deceptive when giving information, you walk around any real answers, or you outright ignore the question and label the person asking the question as a "non-believer."

Let's start this again. You claim to love exchanging information so much, let's actually do that, eh?

Art, earlier you mentioned to me that there was a medical device that was capable of detecting signal lines. Would you please elaborate on this, as I am very keen to learn about it? If you don't wish to do into details, you can just tell me the name of the device, and I'll do the research myself and get back with you later to show you what I've found.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Su

re, what type of medial equipment should I focus on, do you know?

Your the non-believer so you figure it out....This is a short list of "Dowsers find" ...

Aluminum, Amethist, Barium, Bismuth, Cadmium, Calcium, Carbon, Chromium Cobalt , Copper, Diamond, Emerald, FI-OP, Garnet, GOLD, Granite, Iridium, Iron
Jasper, Lead , Maganese, Mammoth Tusk , Manganese, Mercury, Molybdenum
Nickel, Palladium, Platinum, Quartz, Rhodium, Ruthenium, Saphire, SILVER
Sodium, Tantalum, Tin, Titanium, Tungsten, Uranium, Vanadium, Zinc
porcelain or pottery, Metorite, Dinosaur Bones, Redwood, Paper Money and
OIL......Art

Forgot to mention this in my last post, but it really needed it's own post anyway.

Simply typing a list of items does not a find make, Art. I could create a list of thousands of different items, but just because I wrote them down doesn't mean I found them, nor would I expect anyone to believe me if I did make that claim. When I asked the question "Where Are the Dowser's Finds," I explained very clearly in the first post what I was looking for. Scroll up, read that post again, then scroll back down, and then you'll understand. Hopefully....

 

[aarthrj3811]

Forgot to mention this in my last post, but it really needed it's own post anyway.

Simply typing a list of items does not a find make, Art. I could create a list of thousands of different items, but just because I wrote them down doesn't mean I found them, nor would I expect anyone to believe me if I did make that claim. When I asked the question "Where Are the Dowser's Finds," I explained very clearly in the first post what I was looking for. Scroll up, read that post again, then scroll back down, and then you'll understand. Hopefully....

Did I say I found these items? I have no problem finding where these items have been located by Dowsers. You may need a better search engine. I fully understand your post’s. You make rash statements and swear you do not have to prove them. As of today, 2-4-2009 you have submitted no prove of your statements. So come on af or who ever you are Please prove me wrong….Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

Welcome back Judy….I like to argue—AF likes to put people down even when he knows he is wrong---After reading this forum for 5 or 6 years it would seem that a person would know that Dowsing works for people who are intelligent enough to use it. He has been told over and over to try dowsing http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,19537.0.html and see if he can do it. I doubt he can as you have to be able to control your mind instead of letting it run wild…..Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Forgot to mention this in my last post, but it really needed it's own post anyway.

Simply typing a list of items does not a find make, Art. I could create a list of thousands of different items, but just because I wrote them down doesn't mean I found them, nor would I expect anyone to believe me if I did make that claim. When I asked the question "Where Are the Dowser's Finds," I explained very clearly in the first post what I was looking for. Scroll up, read that post again, then scroll back down, and then you'll understand. Hopefully....

Did I say I found these items? I have no problem finding where these items have been located by Dowsers. You may need a better search engine. I fully understand your post’s. You make rash statements and swear you do not have to prove them. As of today, 2-4-2009 you have submitted no prove of your statements. So come on af or who ever you are Please prove me wrong….Art

Prove you wrong about what, Art? I've been doing that since the first day I came into this forum.......

I've never sworn I don't have to prove what I've written. In fact, if I do make a statement, I can provide all kinds of proof for you. Your problem is you tend to refer to posts that are many months old, then ask for proof, but never specify what you're talking about.

If these items have been found by dowsers, where are the pictures, Art? This was my question from the beginning, though you seem to have forgotten this yet again. I can claim that I dug up millions of gold bars, but just because I say I've done something doesn't make it so. If I provided a picture of these gold bars with my smiling mug holding up a couple, then I've got a story.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I don't want to be part of anyone's argument, but please consider this: The left side of the brain is the creative side, we're told, and the right side the logical side, so, that being apparently the case, each side, being separated by the "tough mother", or Dura Mater in Latin, it would seem to follow that both have different electrical patterns. If that is true, then we are also told the left "brain" works the right side of the body and vice versa. Now, I have no dog in the race, but logic would seem to indicate that when a person holds conductive material in both hands, wouldn't there be some sort of electro magnetism, as the separate sides of the brain operate on different electrical impulses? Maybe allowing the two sides to "act as one", in some way we are not aware of? Just a thought!! Great hunting and good luck to all, no matter how you choose to do it!! Regards, Richard.

Oh, you definitely have a point. I myself have seen studies about electrical impulses in the human body, so there's really no debate about that, but the debate comes to play when you consider that these electrical impulses are tiny, recordable but miniscule. And then to claim that these tiny impulses somehow enter into a brass rod and shoot out the end, find a piece of metal buried in the ground, and have enough strength to fly back to the rods, into the hands, and somehow tell the brain where that metal is, well, it just kind of falls apart there.

If someone did post pictures of their dowsing finds, would you be able to see them?

Vision requires those same " tiny, recordable but miniscule electrical impulses " that you are having such a hard time relating to Dowsing. I don't recall seeing anywhere that Art claims any impulses " enter into a brass rod and shoot out of the end ".
Do the impulses that give you sight shoot out of your eyes and into whatever you are looking at, then shoot back into your brain? No. It's just a little more complicated, isn't it?

And I believe Beale did post pics of his finds. But you are obviously ignoring them and choosing instead to harass and belittle Art....as usual. So, did you really want to see pics of Dowsing finds as the Thread implies.... or is this just another excuse to bash on Art?

Hey there, Judy. Long time, no see! It's good that you're back after....what....6-8 months? And still up to your old tricks, I see. Several people have agreed with my questions and arguments in this thread, yet you don't see those, do you?? Must be the same way I don't see any dowsing finds......

Although the wagon wheel picture a few posts up, the big rusty hunk sitting right on top of the ground, well, that way pretty darn convincing.......

 

[ClonedSIM]

Welcome back Judy….I like to argue—AF likes to put people down even when he knows he is wrong---After reading this forum for 5 or 6 years it would seem that a person would know that Dowsing works for people who are intelligent enough to use it. He has been told over and over to try dowsing http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,19537.0.html and see if he can do it. I doubt he can as you have to be able to control your mind instead of letting it run wild…..Art

Art, you must be absolutely right. Only intelligent people can dowse. But, wait! You've never proven me wrong! Well, that's weird, huh? And yet in the same breath, I've pointed out your mistakes to you many times.

If you truly enjoy discussion and arguing, let's get back to the debate you and I were having before Judy rushed in to save you from yourself......

Can you please tell me what piece of medical equipment can detect the "signal lines" that you follow to your treasures?? You said such a thing exists, so you must know the name of this apparatus, right? Unless you only said that to try and make some point to me, is that it??

Well, Art?

 

[ClonedSIM]

What do I consider a dowser's find? Well, the amazing claims Art has made come to mind. You've been here before Judy, and I know you've read at least one of Art's posts where he's claimed to have dowsed large amounts of gold that he then didn't recover. I could go back and dig up all the old posts, but we all know they exist, so why take the time??

As far as the rusty wagon wheel goes, how is that a dowsing find? It was sitting on top of the ground! I can take my dog for a walk and, if he happens to walk into the path of a dollar bill blowing along the ground, does that mean he can dowse for cash?

The reason I pointed out the fact that several people here agreed with my point of view is that you, Judy, tend to overlook everyone's opinions but mine and people you agree with. Another example of the "open-mindedness" that runs rampant around here??

And for you to say I get satisfaction from belitting Art is pure speculation, and you know it. I've asked him several questions about his own statements, and he has yet to answer one of them. Aren't you curious why this is?

And I actually am aware of the inertial axes. But I fail to see how imaginary lines used to describe a body's motion translates to lines projecting away from inert, immobile objects buried in the ground.....

 

[aarthrj3811]

What do I consider a dowser's find? Well, the amazing claims Art has made come to mind. You've been here before Judy, and I know you've read at least one of Art's posts where he's claimed to have dowsed large amounts of gold that he then didn't recover. I could go back and dig up all the old posts, but we all know they exist, so why take the time??

As far as the rusty wagon wheel goes, how is that a dowsing find? It was sitting on top of the ground! I can take my dog for a walk and, if he happens to walk into the path of a dollar bill blowing along the ground, does that mean he can dowse for cash?

The reason I pointed out the fact that several people here agreed with my point of view is that you, Judy, tend to overlook everyone's opinions but mine and people you agree with. Another example of the "open-mindedness" that runs rampant around here??

And for you to say I get satisfaction from belitting Art is pure speculation, and you know it. I've asked him several questions about his own statements, and he has yet to answer one of them. Aren't you curious why this is?

And I actually am aware of the inertial axes. But I fail to see how imaginary lines used to describe a body's motion translates to lines projecting away from inert, immobile objects buried in the ground.....

Gee af….You could find the wagon wheel but only after you saw it. Looks like the iron is in good shape so it will probably put a signal out for a mile or two. Yes I have walked away from some big treasures. Some are not worth the trouble. In fact I posted the location of a large treasure here on t-net. Why didn’t you go get it? Just because it’s 40 feet deep and in the middle of an off-ramp loop on US80 should make no difference to any real treasure hunter. ..Yes...Paper money can be found with Dowsing Rods...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

And I actually am aware of the inertial axes. But I fail to see how imaginary lines used to describe a body's motion translates to lines projecting away from inert, immobile objects buried in the ground...../quote]

Af, this is not the first time you have spoken of your failures. Dell

At least I'm honest enough to admit that I don't see the connection Judy's trying to make.

I suppose I could skirt around the issue and call her narrow-minded and tell her she just doesn't understand, but why would I stoop to your level, Dell?

 

[ClonedSIM]

What do I consider a dowser's find? Well, the amazing claims Art has made come to mind. You've been here before Judy, and I know you've read at least one of Art's posts where he's claimed to have dowsed large amounts of gold that he then didn't recover. I could go back and dig up all the old posts, but we all know they exist, so why take the time??

As far as the rusty wagon wheel goes, how is that a dowsing find? It was sitting on top of the ground! I can take my dog for a walk and, if he happens to walk into the path of a dollar bill blowing along the ground, does that mean he can dowse for cash?

The reason I pointed out the fact that several people here agreed with my point of view is that you, Judy, tend to overlook everyone's opinions but mine and people you agree with. Another example of the "open-mindedness" that runs rampant around here??

And for you to say I get satisfaction from belitting Art is pure speculation, and you know it. I've asked him several questions about his own statements, and he has yet to answer one of them. Aren't you curious why this is?

And I actually am aware of the inertial axes. But I fail to see how imaginary lines used to describe a body's motion translates to lines projecting away from inert, immobile objects buried in the ground.....

Gee af….You could find the wagon wheel but only after you saw it. Looks like the iron is in good shape so it will probably put a signal out for a mile or two. Yes I have walked away from some big treasures. Some are not worth the trouble. In fact I posted the location of a large treasure here on t-net. Why didn’t you go get it? Just because it’s 40 feet deep and in the middle of an off-ramp loop on US80 should make no difference to any real treasure hunter. ..Yes...Paper money can be found with Dowsing Rods...Art

Art, did you seriously just ask me why I didn't drive hundreds of miles away from my home to dig a big hole, simply based on your estimation that there would be gold at the bottom of said hole?? Especially when you didn't bother to dig it up yourself? Seriously??

So, Art, let's get back to this medical device you talked about. A dozen posts have gone by and I can't get you back on topic. Why are you avoiding this subject??

 

[ClonedSIM]

Quote AF
At least I'm honest enough to admit that I don't see the connection Judy's trying to make.
I suppose I could skirt around the issue and call her narrow-minded and tell her she just doesn't understand, but why would I stoop to your level, Dell?
unquote
Hmm.... perhaps you could make the connection if you only did a little research. I'm giving you the tools, but I can't make you use them.
What I am beginning to understand is that when you make comments like....

" I myself have seen studies about electrical impulses in the human body, so there's really no debate about that, but the debate comes to play when you consider that these electrical impulses are tiny, recordable but miniscule. "

.....and someone tries to show you how these " miniscule " impulses come into play ....you don't want to hear it.
You would rather trade insults and fall back on the old ..." well what about the others who agree with me " line.
You Direct at others, but Deflect away from yourself.

Judy,
Please refer back to my original post in this thread, and the current conversation I'm having with Art. If you have something to say about either of these discussions, feel free to chime in, but unless you know the name of the medical device Art is speaking of, or have a great photographic collection of dowser's finds, then you are doing what you enjoy most, which is to muddy the waters of any conversation until the original intent of it is lost.

You have so far been much more tolerable since you've returned again than in your previous incarnations, and I truly do appreciate that, but your MO is the same. You enter a discussion, attempt to steer it in your own unique direction until no one is sure what the original topic was, and the thread is abandoned.

How about that? I can play armchair psychiatrist, too.......

If you'd like to start a new thread where the discussion will be the correlation between signal lines and anything else you want them to be compared to, I will jump right in with you, but this conversation isn't going to go there right now. You're trying to let Art get out of his own twisted tale, and letting the other dowsers assume this no longer concerns their lack of finds, and it's not going to happen.

The two topics at hand here are the lack of dowser's finds, and Art's mystery medical device. Go!

 

[ClonedSIM]

You see af you have no idea about how dowsing works. You have it completely backwards. Have we ever told you that something shoots out of the rods? I think not. I think that we have told you that the signal comes from the object. Big difference. By the way…..Did even know what the subject is?.....Art

The subject of this thread is the lack of dowsers finds....... But I digress......

So what you're saying is that there is a piece of gold in the ground, just sitting there being inert, yet it's somehow sending off signals? Do these signals go in every direction or, as you seem to suggest, do these signals seek out people holding dowsing rods?

It's your thread.

But I digress.......

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I did expand it a little, but you're really taking off in an entirely different direction. Granted, it's a bit of a leap from "Where are the Finds?" to "What Medical Device Will...blahblahblah..?" but Art's been refusing to post anything that resembles a find, and then he comes up with this whole medical device that detects signal lines thing.... I had to address it immediately.

Seriously, though, if there's a medical device that detects signal lines, why bother using dowsing rods? Why hasn't it been mentioned before now? And why is Art refusing to expand on a device he brought up?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Seriously, though, if there's a medical device that detects signal lines, why bother using dowsing rods? Why hasn't it been mentioned before now? And why is Art refusing to expand on a device he brought up?

Af, Perhaps, it is because it is his right to do so, despite complaints from you? Dell

Or, more likely, Art said this because he wanted to make his claims seem rational and scientific, without thinking I would ask him about it. You've seen it as well as I, Dell. Art will make a ridiculous statement, then do everything possible to avoid the subject once he realizes how preposterous his claim sounded.

And, as usual, Dell is ignoring everything he doesn't want to see. I asked Art politely several times what device he was referring to, and he just stonewalled and ignored me. I didn't write a word even resembling a complaint until several posts later.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Gee af…All your questions have been answered over and over. We have put the proof on this forum many times. I have put simple experiments on here that prove you are wrong. It’s not our fault that you can not do these simple experiments…Oh…I forgot…You don’t want to know the facts…Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey af…You have complained for years that there is nothing of value around your town. Go to these coord. and take a look. 34 16.715N 103 34.639…I have cut your search down to a few blocks. Don’t be surprise if you don’t see something of value as people who hide these things were good at hiding stuff. Remember that you are the one that says all you have to do is look at the area, then walk over and recover the treasure….It’s not like you have to fly from say New Jersey to look for it as it is just down the road from where you live….For the dowsers in the area...Please give him a chance to find it...I have no doubt it will be there in 3 or 4 days...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Gee af…All your questions have been answered over and over. We have put the proof on this forum many times. I have put simple experiments on here that prove you are wrong. It’s not our fault that you can not do these simple experiments…Oh…I forgot…You don’t want to know the facts…Art

What's your phrase, Art? Oh, right, twist-and-spin.....

Hey Art, you spoke about a medical device that would detect signal lines. I was very interested in learning more about this device, but no matter how I phrase my search terms I can't seem to locate anything about it. Could you kindly tell me the name of this device?

If you don't want to answer the question above, you could always just admit that no such device exists, and you made it up simply to try and bolster your arguments about signal lines......