Where are the Dowsers Finds???

[ClonedSIM]

And, as usual, Dell is ignoring everything he doesn't want to see.

Poor Cry Baby! Always complaining what others do. Now, you are whining about what Dell does, or doesn't do. Dell

Ummm, Dell? You popped into this thread complaining about me....... I realize the irony of this situation escapes you.

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Hey af…You have complained for years that there is nothing of value around your town. Go to these coord. and take a look. 34 16.715N 103 34.639…I have cut your search down to a few blocks. Don’t be surprise if you don’t see something of value as people who hide these things were good at hiding stuff. Remember that you are the one that says all you have to do is look at the area, then walk over and recover the treasure….It’s not like you have to fly from say New Jersey to look for it as it is just down the road from where you live….For the dowsers in the area...Please give him a chance to find it...I have no doubt it will be there in 3 or 4 days...Art

When did I say this??

And, somehow you have time to do all this research, but you still haven't found 5 seconds to write down the name of the medical device you claim detects signal lines?

I'll say it again for your benefit, Art.....twist-and-spin.....

 

[aarthrj3811]

Gee af….See if you can find the Treasure?....What I say makes no difference if you are not a treasure hunter…If you can not handle a simple task you may want to put an add in the news paper …Ask for help from a Dowser. Dowsers..Please don't recover this treasure until he has a chance to work his magic…Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

I think I have told you this before. Try another Search Engine or talk to some of the Technicians that operate these Imaging machines. They are the ones who know how they operate..You find the treasure yet….Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

That’s OK Judy..I can lead him to water but can’t make him drink it….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

And, as usual, Dell is ignoring everything he doesn't want to see.

Poor Cry Baby! Always complaining what others do. Now, you are whining about what Dell does, or doesn't do. Dell

Apparently the irony of Dell's complaint has zipped right past you as well, Judy......

 

[ClonedSIM]

That’s OK Judy..I can lead him to water but can’t make him drink it….Art

So Judy is correct, Art? An MRI machine can detect signal lines, eh? And what are you basing this statement on? Have you seen a test that shows these lines? Because, as I'm sure you are aware, an MRI machine requires the object being scanned actually enters the magnetic field of the machine. I'm guessing you've played with an MRI machine at some point? Did you have one just sitting in the basement gathering dust?

 

[aarthrj3811]

So Judy is correct, Art? An MRI machine can detect signal lines, eh? And what are you basing this statement on? Have you seen a test that shows these lines? Because, as I'm sure you are aware, an MRI machine requires the object being scanned actually enters the magnetic field of the machine. I'm guessing you've played with an MRI machine at some point? Did you have one just sitting in the basement gathering dust?

Did I say that….Dreaming again af?....I see no reference to a MRI machine so I guess you must have found something….I said Imaging Machines and there is a lot of different types…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

So Judy is correct, Art? An MRI machine can detect signal lines, eh? And what are you basing this statement on? Have you seen a test that shows these lines? Because, as I'm sure you are aware, an MRI machine requires the object being scanned actually enters the magnetic field of the machine. I'm guessing you've played with an MRI machine at some point? Did you have one just sitting in the basement gathering dust?

Did I say that….Dreaming again af?....I see no reference to a MRI machine so I guess you must have found something….I said Imaging Machines and there is a lot of different types…Art

I asked you a question, Art. One would figure as an enlightened dowser you would pick up on subtle nuances like question marks....

So is Judy correct, Art?

See, what happened was, Judy indicated the MRI machine was the medical device you were referring to. You did not disagree with her, and in fact created a post that seemed to indicate you agreed with her answer. So I asked you if she was correct. You obviously slapped together a response as quickly as you could without having a clue what you were actually responding to.

Read, Art, please just read before you start typing......

 

[ClonedSIM]

Af, If you were able to photograph the Signal lines the Dowsing Rods, respond, and align themselves with, this is what they would look like using a harmonic frequency for Gold.

Any discussion of earth science physics is appears to be beyond your comprehension, so don't bother pestering with your usual asinine questions. I am not answering. Dell

You stated "If you were able to photograph", telling me that these photographs have been altered, obviously to add the orange line. Please notice I didn't ask any questions, asinine or otherwise. I simply made a statement, essentially reducing your post to the simple truth.

You drew a line on a picture.

Know what, Dell? If you drew a picture of Bigfoot over near a tree, I bet the National Enquirer would pay you for it!!

 

[rmptr]

This thread is running quite a while!

I've always been fascinated by dowsing.

Of course it's possible, probable, and factual.

I've personally seen fellows dowse for water.

Haven't had the capability myself, but never had any serious coaching.
I'm not even lucky!

Some folks are gifted, others may be able to learn.

That fellow Henry Gross was pretty impressive and I wouldn't doubt he could have given Randi a run for the money.

Never-the-less, AF has a valid query... where's the pics?
There should be finds presented here on the forum.
What I read about Henry said he could do it.
There's gotta be more people like him around, today.

rmptr

 

[rmptr]

Uh Oh...

I just read that quote of Jim's...

Something besides water

Man! Water is GREAT!

Especially if you got none!!!

Water is life!

rmptr

 

[ClonedSIM]

And, as usual, Dell is ignoring everything he doesn't want to see.

Poor Cry Baby! Always complaining what others do. Now, you are whining about what Dell does, or doesn't do. Dell

Apparently the irony of Dell's complaint has zipped right past you as well, Judy......

Zip....a dee doo dah.......ahhh, the irony....... ........
.........nope, nada, don't see it.

Unless you are referring to the wagon wheels from earlier in the thread.
They were kind of "iron"y.

Now, you aren't this thick, Judy...... Or, maybe you are.....?

Either way, I'm having a nice little conversation with Art, and Judy and Dell decide I'm complaining and, ironically, drop by and complain about it.....

Unless you were asked for help by him, does Art really need you to come to his defense? Neither of you have added anything to the conversation, and indeed have done everything in your power to disrupt it.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Af, If you were able to photograph the Signal lines the Dowsing Rods, respond, and align themselves with, this is what they would look like using a harmonic frequency for Gold.

Any discussion of earth science physics is appears to be beyond your comprehension, so don't bother pestering with your usual asinine questions. I am not answering. Dell


You stated "If you were able to photograph", telling me that these photographs have been altered, obviously to add the orange line. Please notice I didn't ask any questions, asinine or otherwise. I simply made a statement, essentially reducing your post to the simple truth.

You drew a line on a picture.

Poor cry baby, is imagining things. Reduced my post to the truth?? Hardly, You seem unable recognize, or comprehend the truth, even when you are looking right at it. Maybe when you are grown up?

The roll of film was developed at Walgreen's. I didn't do a thing to the photos. That's the way they looked when the photo envelope was opened. These are but two of the photos taken with time lapse photography.

Isn't real Science wonderful? Dell

Again, try to disrupt the conversation all you want, Dell, but all you're doing is proving my point....

You post picture after picture of colorful fields, but no dowsing finds.....

And, again, your own words..."If you were able to photograph," which tells me that these are not photographs of what you claim. If you have photograps of your finds, and not the 30-year-old news articles you like to trot out, feel free to partake in this conversation. If not, then please stick to the subject at hand.

 

[ClonedSIM]

You have a valid point, Rmptr. Dowser's should be able to present pics of their finds here.
Unfortunately, as the next quote reveals, there are valid reasons why most might not.....

It's easy to believe 99 percent of folks who claim detector finds because ANYone can go out and verify this works, and then post pictures.

It's VERY difficult to believe the dowsing finds because nobody ever posts finds... I think I would be skeptical, but very interested, if someone would at least claim to show some dowsing finds.

I think even if one in a million of you actually find something (besides water) I might still be skeptical.

I dunno... but thats my truth.

And maybe thats the reason some don't post pics.

Personally, I feel that if detectorists were subjected to the same amount of ridicule and disbelief as dowsers are, on a daily basis, well....they might feel the same disinclination to post pics of their finds. As Jim said, in his post above, it's easy to believe detector finds.....because detectors have been proven to work by mainstream scientific principles. Until dowsing has been given the same status, no claims are ever going to be taken seriously by skeptical society. Gorgeous full color pics...or not.

Dowsers will continue to post their claims, regardless of what the popular opinion about dowsing may be. To suggest that they should not if they cannot "prove" their claims is a supreme form of arrogance....in my humble opinion. I haven't heard of any dowsers chaining anyone to a chair and brainwashing them. Personally, I find the subject fascinating and enjoy reading the posts. Skeptics are free to berate, chastise, ridicule, mock, etc., etc. to their hearts content. Life goes on. The wheels on the bus go round.....

If a dowser wants to make a pile of ridiculous claims regarding unbelievable finds, they're free to do so, but then they also must take responsibility for the way the general public views them.

Dowsers gave themselves this reputation, even you have to see this. Before I came here, there were skeptics, and long after I leave, there will be skeptics. I know you want to make this out as some great conspiracy against the hanger-wavers, but it's just not true. A person will only stand idly by for so long reading claims of tons and tons of gold being located but not dug before they're going to ask for proof.

You want to make it out as though no one questions metal-detectorists because it involves a scientifically accepted recovery method but this is incorrect. No one questions the finds of a metal detector because they are real, and they are believeable, and you can see them and see many other people making similar finds. If someone digs up a Barber dime, what is there to question? It's a real coin that we all have seen before.

And, FYI, claims of detectors are occasionally questioned. If a detectorist pops up claiming to have found scads of beautiful, uncirculated, unstained extremely valuable coins, and then claims to have dug them up one at a time out of his backyard, he will have people questioning his claim. Is it because of his recovery method? Not at all, it has to do with the veracity of his claim, and the way in which he presents it. No one here is going to question a claim that sounds believeable.....

But a dowser, who claims to have found 50 pounds of gold coins in a pot 30 feet underground, has made a questionable claim. Why? Well, it's unbelievable in the sense that not many people have seen 50 pounds of gold coins before, all in one spot. It's unbelievable because it's hard to believe anyone would bury a cache of coins that deep. It's unbelievable because the treasure has not been recovered and the claim is not accompanied by photographs. And, yes, it's also unbelievable since the person claiming this find said he located it with a pair of brass rods.

I can guarantee you that if a dowser popped up one day with pictures of a handful of dirty coins and maybe a ring or two he wouldn't be questioned, because this is a rational claim. Yet, this never happens.....

 

[aarthrj3811]

We all know how this game is played….When we answer a question some how the post we answered has been Modified or Deleted so our answer sounds stupid….What some people put on here is far from the truth. I will be hearing about this MRI for a long time but I did not say one thing about an MRI….Back on Ignore af… I have to say that you have become so far out that you do not pass the debating test…Art

 

[Goodyguy]

Some people do not get that just because something cant be measured on a device doesn't mean it does not exist.
It's only because the device to measure it does not yet exist.

Radiation existed long before devices to measure it were invented. and the list goes on and on.

Dowsing works even if it cant be measured on a device.
And Dowsers finds exist even though they choose not to reveal them.

A tree falling in the woods makes a sound whether you are there to hear it or not.

Just as someone who is on ignore still posts even if no one is reading them or even cares.

 

[ClonedSIM]

We all know how this game is played….When we answer a question some how the post we answered has been Modified or Deleted so our answer sounds stupid….What some people put on here is far from the truth. I will be hearing about this MRI for a long time but I did not say one thing about an MRI….Back on Ignore af… I have to say that you have become so far out that you do not pass the debating test…Art

When we answer a question some how the post we answered has been Modified or Deleted so our answer sounds stupid
Prove it, Art. Show me one post that I've modified after someone has responded to in order to make the response sound incorrect. Prove it, or shut the he!! up about this; something you've been accusing me of for years and have never once shown a shred of evidence for.

I did not say one thing about an MRI
So tell Judy and Dell how wrong they are. I didn't just pull that answer out of thin air, Art, and you know it.

Do you realize you claim to be such a huge proponent of open discussion, but you haven't answered a single question in the last 10 posts you've written? It's easy to ignore the scary questions, isn't it, Art, since you haven't got the stones to back up your statements.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Again, try to disrupt the conversation all you want, Dell, but all you're doing is proving my point....

You post picture after picture of colorful fields, but no dowsing finds.....

And, again, your own words..."If, you were able to photograph," which tells me that these are not photographs of what you claim. If you have photograps of your finds, and not the 30-year-old news articles you like to trot out, feel free to partake in this conversation. If not, then please stick to the subject at hand.

Af,You habitually misconstrue the truth and take it out of context. Why is that ? "If, "YOU" were able to photograph...." is exactly correct. When "YOU" photograph the Signal Line, that is what you will see.

Af, it was YOU who brought up the subject of Signal Lines, NOT ME. FYI, An MRI, will externally generate Signal lines to metals that resonate in Harmonics to the frequency(s) being broadcast, but a medical MRI, it is NOT configured, or intended to internally image an external Signal line "field". That does not mean it is not capable of doing so.

But, thanks to my many years of field research, experiments, and DB tests, you now know what the Signal Line, images look like in the field, so there is no reason to question the validity. Unless of course you are calling me a liar? Anyway, don't be such a hypocrite. Dell

SIGNAL LINES: Af, you forget so quickly and conveniently.

So Judy is correct, Art? An MRI machine can detect signal lines, eh? And what are you basing this statement on? Have you seen a test that shows these lines? Because, as I'm sure you are aware, an MRI machine requires the object being scanned actually enters the magnetic field of the machine. I'm guessing you've played with an MRI machine at some point? Did you have one just sitting in the basement gathering dust?

Sorry, Dell, apparently Art thinks you're incorrect, an MRI will not measure signal lines, regardless of how many fields you photograph.

Judy, same with you, an MRI was not the medical device Art was referring to. Why he didn't bother to correct you only goes back to what I've been indicating for some time, that he doesn't bother to read the posts he's responding to.....

You guys should get together sometime and come up with a decent plan of attack.

So, how about a photograph of some recent finds? Anyone? Anyone

 

[ClonedSIM]

Okay, I've obviously let this get too far off course, so let's try a different tact, shall we?

You are all absolutely right! You can photograph signal lines, your can detect them with some mystery medical device, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.....

Now, assuming these things are truths, where are the finds you've made employing these methods, dowsers?