who really discovered american

[natchitoches]

not really about american indian.
but it still a very neet story


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[SOHIO]

There are other regions in the western US that are like the old ranch...

Specifically, The Lost Coast region of Humboldt County is vertually unexplored and contains many indian villages and fishing middens...no roads and horseback or foot access only...

sounds like my kind of place, never been out west though

 

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[SOHIO]

Now I have 2 reasons to move to humboldt county

 

[1320]

Are you talking land bridges or pangea

I believe that both theories could apply to North America. Continental drift just seems like a no brainer to me and I would think that over millions of years as the Ice Ages have come and gone that land bridges have been "exposed" many times. What else can explain why similiar dinosaurs can be found here and 3,000 miles across the oceans?
It shouldn't come as a surprise when a Neanderthal is finally unearthed somewhere in North America.

 

[SOHIO]

nope

 

[NC field hunter]

I believe that both theories could apply to North America. Continental drift just seems like a no brainer to me and I would think that over millions of years as the Ice Ages have come and gone that land bridges have been "exposed" many times. What else can explain why similiar dinosaurs can be found here and 3,000 miles across the oceans?
It shouldn't come as a surprise when a Neanderthal is finally unearthed somewhere in North America.

This may sound stupid, but, I'm used to it. Here it is. Does any one know how many ice ages earth has had? If not, whats to say man didnt drift along on big chunks of ice, like we see polar bears doing. That is unlikely, but still a mode of transportation. No telling where your ride will drop you off. That land bridge sounds more logical, but, I try to think of every possible method.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

This may sound stupid, but, I'm used to it. Here it is. Does any one know how many ice ages earth has had? If not, whats to say man didnt drift along on big chunks of ice, like we see polar bears doing. That is unlikely, but still a mode of transportation. No telling where your ride will drop you off. That land bridge sounds more logical, but, I try to think of every possible method.

Geologists claim that there have been 5 major ice ages.

Starting Age​ [million years ago]​

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Geologic Period​

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1,700 to 2,300 mya​

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[TD="width: 76%"] the middle of the Huronian Era in Precambrian time
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670 mya​

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[TD="width: 76%"] the end of the Proterozoic Era, in Precambrian time
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420 mya​

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[TD="width: 76%"] the middle of the Paleozoic Era, between the Ordovician and Silurian Periods
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290 mya​

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[TD="width: 76%"] the late Carboniferous and early Permian Periods, late in the Paleozoic Era
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1.7 mya​

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[TD="width: 76%"] the Pleistocene Epoch of the Quaternary Period (Cenozoic Era)
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Just my opinion but I highly doubt they used ice to move to Americas, more likely it was rafts then boats...... How much food and water do they bring when your moving on a piece of ice?

Using rafts and boats it could have been done in stages from island to island and not necessarily from Northern Asia. The mummy they found in Nevada had traits of being from Japan and the items found with him are identical to items still produced in Japan.......

"Recent discoveries and examinations of mummified human remains seem to support theories that humans crossed from Asia to the Americas more than 11,000 years ago. Evidence from a mummy discovered in Western Nevada in 1940 indicate that the body is 9,400 years old. Technicians reconstructed a face for the skeleton and the features appear to be those of a remote Northern Japanese group and the clothing from the mummy matches the textiles still made by those Japanese. Current speculation is that humans could have crossed by boat to North America from a variety of places, i.e., Siberia, Japan, and China via the Bering Straits or by island hopping across the northern Pacific."

Either way it was a long and dangerous trip, and we think flying is dangerous.............LOL

 

[1320]

Something to ponder.....look how fast Japan's tsunami debis made it to the west coast...alot of it intact. When we think about sea travel we often think of it in terms of today's jet stream and ocean currents. 15,000 years ago, things were much difference. Some scientists believe that ocean currents were much stronger (faster) in the past, couple that with what the jet stream may have been...a little stronger, a different flow route....perhaps the ride here wouldn't have taken so long?

But we have to ask why someone would make such a journey? I don't think an ancient man would just set sail in a boat looking for greener pastures. Chasing herds of animals across a land brige makes more sense. The first ocean travel simply may have been an accident. Man gets boat too far from shore and gets swept away by an ocean current, man gets caught in a storm and blown out to sea. If said man had a boat full of fish he had caught, he might stand a chance....lol.

 

[1320]

Not too long ago, I stumbled across a Neanderthal migration map that plotted out their settlement of Europe....in the upper right hand corner the arrow pointed toward the ocean and the words "USA?" was annotated under the arrow....I'll see if I can relocate that.

At first glance alot of Mousterian and Acheulian tools look remarkably like Clovis and Archaic tools that we find in North America everyday. Does that mean that Neanderthals were here or did the technology get passed down for thousands of years eventually making it to North America by default? It could also mean that theres only a handful of useful shapes that one can knap from workable stone and the patterns keep repeating without any pass on or previous knowledge.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

As far as prehistoric man, chasing herds of animals across the bearing land bridge is the only thing that makes sense to me..... Their primary job was feeding their familys and defense of the tribe or group...... If they explored only logical reason I see was for more food... Later on I have no doubt man had the itch to explore for more than food, no doubt the Vikings came here, they were afraid of nothing.....

 

[digordie]

Have any of you read the book of mormon. It talks about two diff groups of people migrating by boat to the americas. They fit the adena and the hopewell time periods and people. Actually they have now found dna evidence from the hopewell remains, of isreal/ jeruselem desent. It even talks about the mound building culture and the reasons they built the mound fortifications etc. Its a must read even if your not into religion.

 

[pickaway]

I'm with the theory that they came from all directions at different time periods.

 

[NC field hunter]

Geologists claim that there have been 5 major ice ages.

Starting Age [million years ago]

[TD="width: 76%"]
Geologic Period
[/TD]

[TD="width: 24%"]
1,700 to 2,300 mya
[/TD]
[TD="width: 76%"]the middle of the Huronian Era in Precambrian time
[/TD]

[TD="width: 24%"]
670 mya
[/TD]
[TD="width: 76%"]the end of the Proterozoic Era, in Precambrian time
[/TD]

[TD="width: 24%"]
420 mya
[/TD]
[TD="width: 76%"]the middle of the Paleozoic Era, between the Ordovician and Silurian Periods
[/TD]

[TD="width: 24%"]
290 mya
[/TD]
[TD="width: 76%"]the late Carboniferous and early Permian Periods, late in the Paleozoic Era
[/TD]

[TD="width: 24%"]
1.7 mya
[/TD]
[TD="width: 76%"]the Pleistocene Epoch of the Quaternary Period (Cenozoic Era)
[/TD]

Just my opinion but I highly doubt they used ice to move to Americas, more likely it was rafts then boats...... How much food and water do they bring when your moving on a piece of ice?

Using rafts and boats it could have been done in stages from island to island and not necessarily from Northern Asia. The mummy they found in Nevada had traits of being from Japan and the items found with him are identical to items still produced in Japan.......

"Recent discoveries and examinations of mummified human remains seem to support theories that humans crossed from Asia to the Americas more than 11,000 years ago. Evidence from a mummy discovered in Western Nevada in 1940 indicate that the body is 9,400 years old. Technicians reconstructed a face for the skeleton and the features appear to be those of a remote Northern Japanese group and the clothing from the mummy matches the textiles still made by those Japanese. Current speculation is that humans could have crossed by boat to North America from a variety of places, i.e., Siberia, Japan, and China via the Bering Straits or by island hopping across the northern Pacific."

Either way it was a long and dangerous trip, and we think flying is dangerous.............LOL

I didn't mean that they deliberately set sail on an ice cube. Lol. More like stranded on one, when it broke away from the larger glacier. Just one of my far out thoughts. Nothing I can really even explain. Lol thanks for the answer. 5 ice ages! Wow

 

[1320]

I can appreciate your thoughts.....sitting on an iceberg, relaxing....got my pole in the water, sun hitting my face....think I'm getting a bite.....set the hook, damn, I've hooked a whale, reeling, reeling, reeling....got him....uhhhh....what's that cracking noise......damn it......think I'm going for a ride....

Far out thoughts have solved more than one of mankinds riddles, at least you're thinking....without thinking and asking there is no discussion/speculation.

For what it's worth, 5 ice ages that man has fairly solid proof of......

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

For what it's worth, 5 ice ages that man has fairly solid proof of......

Correct, 5 that there is proff of, could have been serveral mini ice ages with no visible record......

 

[1320]

Correct, 5 that there is proff of, could have been serveral mini ice ages with no visible record......

Double like this post.

The mini ice age(s) evidence is out there as well and that's all that it may have taken to create a land bridge or two. Great discussion. For what it's worth, when I opened the OP's link, I saw a Civil War Story....lol

 

[NC field hunter]

I can appreciate your thoughts.....sitting on an iceberg, relaxing....got my pole in the water, sun hitting my face....think I'm getting a bite.....set the hook, damn, I've hooked a whale, reeling, reeling, reeling....got him....uhhhh....what's that cracking noise......damn it......think I'm going for a ride....

Far out thoughts have solved more than one of mankinds riddles, at least you're thinking....without thinking and asking there is no discussion/speculation.

For what it's worth, 5 ice ages that man has fairly solid proof of......

Not exactly my vision of the whole ordeal, but the conclusion is the same. I pictured trudging through an icy blizzard, stiff, nearly lifeless, hungry, climbing an ice mountain, wishing for natures easy way out, then crack. Set sail for the new world. Same story, yours is just reader friendly. Lol

 

[Tnmountains]

If you look at the solutrean theory and the distribution of early paleo tools in the north and south east dating 17,000 years it would seem we had habitation possibly from the Atlantic side as well. Genetics are saying the asian geno was also in ice age man from Europe. I do know the theory is liked because of the same tool technology in I think it was France at that time. It is all good reads.[h=1][/h]

 

[GatorBoy]

 

[Age_old]

Correct, 5 that there is proff of, could have been serveral mini ice ages with no visible record......

Supposedly, mini ice ages happen every 600,000 years...

Usually scientists can tell this by cutting into the oldest glaciers and studying the ice layers within.

Here is a video. ( you will have to ignore all that 'global warming' stuff )

 

[Age_old]

Whoops.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fjGxYDLEXP0