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William III Half Penny (1695-1701) from Old Colonial Site

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King William III Copper (1695-1703) Mid-Hudson Va
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OK......a week after myself, Earthworks, Bergie and Hollowpointred spend a wonderful day at the old colonial site in the lovely Hudson Valley of New York State ...... Earthworks and I decided to give it another go today for a few hours. When the temps reached 27 degrees and the soil was freezing onto out digging tools.....we thought we might be overdoing it. We persisted. Shortly before the sun set and darkness engulfed us ..... a solid copper sound....deep with the Minelab Explorer II. At the time we could not make it out thinking that it was "just" another large cent(!?) After cleaning it to the best of our ability .... and doing some quick research we are simply in awe!!!

Here's the picture, measurement, and weight of the surviving coin....my BEST to date !!!

Also....I've added the research (along with a picture of a much better shaped similar coin) that we've done....enjoy!!! (Bergie....the front lawn is definitely "not" all worked out)

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William III. GVLIELMVS DEI GRATIA, instead of GVLIELMVS TERTIVS. Pattern Halfpenny. Weight 10.51g.

Dr Nicholson notes: "This piece is in poor condition but it is probably the most important in this collection from the numismatic point-of-view. I read the note in the Seaby Bulletin for November 1984 (that I copy below) with great interest, and have been looking out for it ever since. I saw no further reference to it until the Spink sale of Roger Shuttlewood's collection in 2001, from which the present specimen came. This is a slightly poorer example than the Cowley one, (which was photographed in the Seaby report), and which appeared to be dated 1696. Probably this is the Seaby coin referred to in the note [in Seaby bulletin below]. The note on it in the Spink Circular for February 2001 said 'probably unique and of the highest numismatic importance'. They obviously knew nothing of the Seaby experience of it. They gave Dr Johnstone as provenance who was a contemporary of Peck and who would have shown it to him if he had had it [before Peck went to press]. It is too interesting for Peck to have ignored. The legend GVLIELMVS DEI GRATIA is an assertion of William's divine right to the throne independent of his recently deceased wife Mary, who was closer in the succession. It was an important political statement in 1696 and as such this may be a propaganda medallion rather than a coin. Yet it is in all other respects identical with the 1696 currency halfpenny and it would be unusual to use the currency format for a medallion. Evidently both Seaby and Spink agree that it may be regarded as a pattern which was considered but not put into effect."

from- http://www.colincooke.com/coinpages/nicholsoncollection/nicholson_part2.html#
 

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OUTSTANDING FIND!
 
GD,
Congrats to you on an amazing find. Your persistance paid off for sure. ;D
Where do I get one of those fancy measuring tools from?
-MM-
 
Man that looks to be in great condition for 300 years old :o Nice find! COngrats!

Smitty
 
whoa! :o :o what part of the property did you find it, the FRONT lawn?! it just goes to show that you can never get it all. hit it on another day from another angle, different moisture levels in the soil and voila! another beauty! :o it would probably make your head spin to know what is still left up there! very very nicely done!
 
Great find I recently found 2 identical to that one!!! Nothing like finding a 300 year old copper to make your day seem worthwhile!! Congratulations!!!
 
Thats a beauty. 311 years old. Incredible. Big congrats to you Goingdown. The Hudson Valley has some rich heritage. I've lived here all my life and theres no place else I'd rather be.
 
Yeah Sweet cleaning job! :D :D :D :D :D

Ya gotta still love em when they're green and crusty cuz most that old are going to be that way.
 
Friggin great job...I finally got to a PC this morning. Thanks for the text last night. I should revise to say it's hunted out for the Radio Shack detector. :-(
(Probably still not though)
 
That's an amazing find! It makes it even more amazing knowing coins were in shorter supply in those days and spread thin. Someone needs to come down here to East Texas and sprinkle the ground with some colonials for us. WTG!
 
Bergie ..... for the record .... I've noted your "Radio Shack" qualification/revision! But all kidding aside, I'd/we'd never have been this fortunate if you had not done the research, acquired the permission AND been kind enough to invite us to join you at that spot! A true "T'Net Buddy" you are!

And...this afternoon Earthworks and I are giving the coin a peroxide bath....join us...I'm buying the beer!

I'll post the results tonite!

GD :)
 
Congrats on the William III coin, they are sort of nice to find. They actually were widely used in the colonies and for a long period of time. Usually the vast majority that are found (including all of mine and my son's) are worn down to almost blanks! This is a big indicator of how long they circulated to have on average such wear.

For anyone who has a "blank" large copper, it would pay to closely examine the coin and look for the one feature that is usually last to wear off. The ribbons on the bust of William. On a lot of the William III's and W&M coins the Reverse side will wear off the most (including the date, darn it) and then the right hand side of the Obverse.

Luckily the letters that are usually left is at minimum GV and the ribbons which is diagnostic enough to distinguish the coin as a William III or W&M copper......

Don
 
Beer and Colonials; Two great tastes that go great together. Maybe give it a beer bath and drink the peroxide. :-)
 
Great find and congrats! HH, Mike
 
Great Find!

Be sure to show the finished product after the beer and peroxide treatments for each of you.

HH

Sanat
 
We are still waiting. Did the peroxide work? Did you get a clearer reading on the coin?
I know the beer must have worked. TF.
 

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