1646 Copper in Decent Condition!

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Only one decent target today but it's definitely an old one! 1646 French jeton. Trying to get a positive ID on origin. Pretty sure it's the first jetton I've found...rare on this side of the pond.
 

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Sorry for the double pics...my first thread within the new format and I mess it up...lol!
 

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Very decent shape for the Jetton.:occasion14:
Dug some on the other side of the pond, but a rare find on this side.
 

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Only one decent target today but it's definitely an old one! 1646 French jetton. Trying to get a positive ID on origin. Pretty sure it's the first jetton I've found...rare on this side of the pond.
Congratulations on your beautiful recovery
 

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I like that one Romeo. Beats my oldest copper by 53 years. I can't recall the last time any copper older that one has been posted. Great find!
 

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That's something new , or something I've not seen before..
Therefore it's pretty darn awesome!
Probably passed as a coin until it went underground...very neat find!
 

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Only one decent target today but it's definitely an old one! 1646 French jeton. Trying to get a positive ID on origin. Pretty sure it's the first jetton I've found...rare on this side of the pond.
Very Nice!!!! 1600's!!! Congrats!!!
 

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475 year old copper in GREAT shape! WOW! Congrats......Hogge
 

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Only one decent target today but it's definitely an old one! 1646 French jeton. Trying to get a positive ID on origin. Pretty sure it's the first jetton I've found...rare on this side of the pond.
Congrats on a very rare find here! She’s in great shape for all those centuries underground! Nicely done!
 

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Good jeton. These weren’t used as currency. They were counters to be moved around on a chequered board to make financial calculations on similar principles to the way an abacus works. Treasury or banking officials and merchants everywhere used them throughout Europe.

The escutcheon on the undated side is from the Grand Coat of Arms of France and Navarre, in use between 1589-1790:

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Although this jeton was made for French use, it might not have actually been made in France. Many of them were made in Germany for other countries and widely exported.

Louis XIV (Louis the Great) was on the French throne in 1646 and a common legend for these jetons was “LUDOVICUS REX [PLURES] NON CAPIT ORBIS” with an intended meaning that “There is no room in the world for more than one King Louis”. I can’t read it all on yours, but can certainly make out the “CAPIT ORBIS” part to the right of the dated side.

The rest of the design on that side is not readily discernible and neither is the legend on the other side. There are dozens of variations, some generic and some including things like the arms or symbolism for a particular city or provincial region and/or the name of the city’s mayor.
 
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Good jeton. These weren’t used as currency. They were counters to be moved around on a chequered board to make financial calculations on similar principles to the way an abacus works. Treasury or banking officials and merchants everywhere used them throughout Europe.

The escutcheon on the undated side is from the Grand Coat of Arms of France and Navarre, in use between 1589-1790:

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Although this jeton was made for French use, it might not have actually been made in France. Many of them were made in Germany for other countries and widely exported.

Louis XIV (Louis the Great) was on the French throne in 1646 and a common legend for these jetons was “LUDOVICUS REX [PLURES] NON CAPIT ORBIS” with an intended meaning that “There is no room in the world for more than one King Louis”. I can’t read it all on yours, but can certainly make out the “CAPIT ORBIS” part to the right of the dated side.

The rest of the design on that side is not readily discernible and neither is the legend on the other side. There are dozens of variations, some generic and some including things like the arms or symbolism for a particularly city or provincial region and/or the name of the city’s mayor.
 
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With Red-Coats helpful information I was able to positively ID my Jeton. Thanks for the comments all!
 

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