1692, William II and Mary II, Copper Bawbee.

[Garabaldi]

Well, where do I begin. It's late in the 4th quarter, time running out, snow storm is on its way, season coming to a close. Figured I'd ask the head of the household(my girl) if she minded if I hit my hot spot for a couple of hours. With her permission I headed out in the light rain. last big find that blew me away at this site was teh (banner) 1737 Spanish Pistareen. Figured I couldn't top that one. I headed to an area, that I had skimmed over in the past. Was digging a lot of pull tabs and clad. Then hit an iron patch. Found a huge half horseshoe, and a few other horse type iron artifacts, always a good sign. Then Dug a 1895 IH. A few more pull tabs and soda caps, then another IH 1897. Started to rain a bit more and I was a muddy mess. Dug a rusty nail and said to myself, I can't go out this way. Then got a 2" .5 cent, Ring signal. Dug the plug expecting to see the silver looking pull tab and there it was, a large copper. Couldn't believe my eyes. Stuck it in my prescription plastic tube(for special artifacts) and called it a rap. Figuring it was a British King George halfpenny, I was baffled when I began to see a wreath after cleaning the dirt away. Put in on "what is it" and low and behold "hammered" posted the ID.

Scottish, 1692 William II and Mary II (1689-1694), Copper Bawbee, laureate draped bust left, rev., crowned thistle, NEMO•ME•IMPUNE•LACESSET•1692
I just can't believe it.
I first want to thank my girl, because without her patience I would not have been out to the site this morning.
Second, I want to thank my girl again for the patience since I have been home working on getting the ID while on the phone with her father. At one point I had two friends on two different phones at the same time.
Fourth, I want to thank HAMMERED, for putting an ID and meaning behind this very special coin. I can't wait to research the history of this coin to imagine how it could have made its way to Mass.
Thanks you all for looking.

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: 1697, William II and Mary II, Copper Bawbee.

The (short wreathed) Bawbee first appearing above was issued during the years 1695-1697. The longer wreathed Bawbee was issued during the years 1691-1694. Another difference is the former pic shows only the image of William--since Mary died in 1694--while the Bawbee coins of the earlier period (1691-1694) depict the conjoined busts of both William and Mary.
Don....

 

[Mirage]

Re: 1697, William II and Mary II, Copper Bawbee.

aah, to live in the land where pull tabs and 1600's coins exist! We live in the land where pull tabs and possibly 1800's coins exist.

Very sweet coin.

 

[umrgolf]

Re: 1697, William II and Mary II, Copper Bawbee.

Sweet sweet coin G!

 

[West Jersey Detecting]

Re: 1697, William II and Mary II, Copper Bawbee.

A large copper came in as a Pulltab at 2 inches... Thats odd...
Cool fnds !!
Keep @ it and HH !!

Correction, I believe it came up as .5 Cents,RING.

Not to revisit this issue, but a copper coin of that size coming in the nickel range is a bit odd (but obviously not impossible), especially at a shallow depth. Even my thin counterfeits come in at the penny range.

That is a great find. You are tearing it up out there!! Don't let the weather stop you until the ground freezes solid!!

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1697, William II and Mary II, Copper Bawbee.

1600s is great on this side of the pond!

 

[Garabaldi]

Re: 1697, William II and Mary II, Copper Bawbee.

The (short wreathed) Bawbee first appearing above was issued during the years 1695-1697. The longer wreathed Bawbee was issued during the years 1691-1694. Another difference is the former pic shows only the image of William--since Mary died in 1694--while the Bawbee coins of the earlier period (1691-1694) depict the conjoined busts of both William and Mary.
Don....

If this is true than the coin I dug with the date 1692, should "depict the conjoined busts of both William and Mary"? I can't tell if this is the case on my coin? I still am not convinced what this coin is.

 

[dwayne sueno]

cool old copper. i can back you up on it coming in around the nickel/ring area. I dug a william III halfpenny last year that rang like a shotgun shell (the nickel/ring of the wild), but reasearched it when i got home, and discovered that the halfpennys of that period were often made of debased copper, or were made of tin with a copper plug in the middle.
congrats, and HH, dwayne

 

[dfx willy]

very nice find!! even though you guys havent quite figured it out. i think any coin found in the united states from the 1600s should be banner my vote will be in. willy

 

[skalleewag]

extraordinary

 

[gmsparky]

very nice !!!! never saw one of those before, congrats !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mackaydon]

Garabaldi:
Your coin, a bawbee, does depict the conjoined heads of the W and M. There were four varieties of this issue, each a small difference.
Don......

 

[Garabaldi]

Garabaldi:
Your coin, a bawbee, does depict the conjoined heads of the W and M. There were four varieties of this issue, each a small difference.
Don......

Interesting. Could you see the image or this on the coin? Also, could you or anyone find an image of the conjoined heads of W & M II Bawbee coin? I am going to search for one myself, but never seem to hav good luck. You guys come up with some amazing web sites.
Seems like we are close to the correct ID to this coin.
Thank you all for the comments and help with this coin. This hobby and site rock.

 

[Mackaydon]

http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-190-000-609-C

 

[Mackaydon]

And here's the reverse of a Scottish bawbee issued between 1691 and 1694.
http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-100-054-303-C

 

[Garabaldi]

Mackaydon, you got it. Wow great work. Thank you very very much. I can now print the images for a source when I bring it to my club meeting.
Thanks to Hammered for initally putting an ID to this coin, he had it the entire time. Also, anyone else who helped figure out what this coin is, I give you a shout out.

 

[boondocker]

Gary, nice job again looking forward to seeing this and the other finds at the meeting, oh ya banner vote from me such a rare coin in MA Dean

 

[Mackaydon]

Garabaldi:
If you want a book source for the coins (and their varieties) you may wish to consider: "Seaby's Standard Catalogue of British Coins Part 4: Coins and Tokens of Scotland": 1972, Neaby's Numismatic Publications, LTD., Audley House, London. Pages 94 and 98

 

[Garabaldi]

Garabaldi:
If you want a book source for the coins (and their varieties) you may wish to consider: "Seaby's Standard Catalogue of British Coins Part 4: Coins and Tokens of Scotland": 1972, Neaby's Numismatic Publications, LTD., Audley House, London. Pages 94 and 98

Thank you Mackaydon, will be putting it on my list.