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A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

Please tell me this is a North South orientation.
Looks like summertime with the sun pretty high in the sky, maybe around noon. Judging from the shadows on that pine tree, I'd say the rock is facing westerly.
 
The left face is pointing 190° towards a prominent peak, 6 miles away. The right face gazes at a featureless hill side?
What an interesting orientation amazing engineering these guys.
 
Going through old pics from when I started.
The things I didnt know then. There is more on the ridge line not shown here, but keep an eye out for squares.
 

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What does the letter "S" means when it's all by itself ?
Believe Sandy1 had located a S on a big boulder on a main trail close to a Spanish mine site . Kenworthy said that an S signified a main king's trail or a superior trail in his book.
 
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What does the letter "S" means when it's all by itself ?
In my early apprenticeship years I was told the S stood for Soledad and that references to Mary mother of Jesus so it signified something of great importance hopes this helps.
 
Keep after it guys, let's dig these sons a B$#$%s up! Nobody is questioning stuff right now in the field. All it costs is effort. Cooler temps in a month or two. Put on a blaze orange vest and say you are testing slope stability or burying yur dog or something. They won't throw you in jail for digging a hole..
 
What does the letter "S" means when it's all by itself ?
Kenworthy mentions that it stands for superior. It should have other symbols or markers in conjunction with it, and is found on maps and treasure trails. He states it simply means "on maps" it is the best way to reach your goal but other ways are available.
In my experience with Kenworthy information you must pay very close attention to the statement that says "on maps". My guess would mean that "in the field" its meaning may not be the same.
 
Its funny as the guy who started catching auras with the w10 I probably have the least amount of cameras of most of you, I have caught so many auras with just a few cameras I haven't seen the need for more cameras, however I have a bit of a story of what not to do.

I went out with some people who had a w10 and I set mine up shooting pictures at the hill (straight on) while the other guys set their camera up at a 90 degree angle to my angle the problem was that while they were shooting sidehill there was a ridgeline in their way that they couldn't get a strait shot at the hill which didn't seem to matter to them, I told them they couldn't see the spot (no line of sight) therefore they couldn't catch an aura, It turns out that they seemed to think the auras were up in the air and that they could catch something up in the air and cross their aura up in air with my straight on aura on the actual ground. So after looking at their pics they found some anomalies up in the air and said that was good enough to prove where the two auras cross 90 degrees to each other.

I never caught an aura that day and in no way would I ever consider what they called auras up in the air remotely good enough for me to consider as an aura in my opinion.

My point is I am very selective about what I would consider an aura some people don't have my high of standards as I not only want to see the aura on the ground I also want to see the markers that verify the aura, these were the same people who thought the Saguaros would lead them to the entrance and ignored the original Spanish boulder markers, again this comes back to quality and Mental Control over Imagination and requires a very high standard of verification. If you believe in everything without a reasonable amount of proof to back up what you think (such as auras in the sky), treasure hunting is probably not for you. In other words don't let your imaginations take control thinking every rock is a marker and every cloud is an aura also verify the same type of markers are repeated at multiple spots/auras.
Right on Q lets get out there and do some recovery work.View attachment 2217482
 
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Right on Q lets get out there and do some recovery work.View attachment 2217482
Yeah That's my old pic, and I still do that. It catches them where I am at , not as much radiation as down south here. So I set up as much as I can. I want to get it in one or two setting if it's there......Beware of bugs and birds and wind throwing dust/plant particles, but yeah. This is my typical setup .Thanks to Sandy1 , I just took it further. If one camera is good, why not seven.....


Oh, spiders and spiderwebs is another thing that floats thru the air.....
 
I am quite aware of all the ancient stuff as well the newer stuff, sdcfia. Much more than you would think. On an old private board I was posting loads of that stuff years ago. Some of it would have even surprised you. Spanish/French stuff is pretty light in my area. But much of it has been reworked/remarked/or touched up in the last 50 years or less.
Quinoa, would you please elaborate on what you think about this, I'd like to compare with what I've found & suspected.
I know we've all talked about this a little before, but there may be other thoughts about how & why things are marked &
watched like they seem to be. I know sandy1 has had some pretty intrigueing, dramatic experiences too, to say the least...
 
Quinoa, would you please elaborate on what you think about this, I'd like to compare with what I've found & suspected.
I know we've all talked about this a little before, but there may be other thoughts about how & why things are marked &
watched like they seem to be. I know sandy1 has had some pretty intrigueing, dramatic experiences too, to say the least...
A lot of it is hard say much specifically. There is a mix of what you see for markers. I Can't really be all encompassing or anything like that. You don't know what you are going to get into on any site. The auras you get on cameras , you find out are right near the stand out markers, so you have something in that . The problem becomes the exact spot to dig , whereas the aura may show what's in the ground, but the markers don't show the specific dig spot on how we look at them. All though we always think we can figure out exactly how they determined to bury it off the markers. A lot of deception in most spots, so what seems logical may not be so.
 
I am working on owner contract atm, so who knows what I might post in the future.
 
Someone asked me in a PM to show how to decipher symbols, this is what I told him in 25 years I have never seen anybody who really had a grasp on symbols and people who have said they did never seem to quite find the treasure.

When the original people had the foresight to create symbols in order to hide information to the treasures then they ad in religion and mythology and nature etc. it becomes so complex its just not really possible to break the code.

I am going to ask a simple question and see if anybody can agree on the answer. We all Know that Turtles have been made to mark treasures. So now to the Question: Why was a Turtle used as a symbol to represent a treasure, is it Mythology or Nature or some Fairy tale made up by the Indians or some religious ideology from some far off land? In other words Who decided a Turtle should be used for Treasure?
 
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In my opinion it all about the womb or something buried in the ground, or a return to the earth or rebirth. Turtles bury their eggs on land, it's not sea turtles , it's land ones like tortoise. Just another egg spot or place where something important is. like the beginning and end.. Turtle eggs are rebirth just like biblical Christ things. It about the beginning and the end coming together in one place.
 
But there's other types, it's whatever you can figure out, or what someone can help you with. All you need is one that works out,
 
In my opinion it all about the womb or something buried in the ground, or a return to the earth or rebirth. Turtles bury their eggs on land, it's not sea turtles , it's land ones like tortoise. Just another egg spot or place where something important is. like the beginning and end.. Turtle eggs are rebirth just like biblical Christ things. It about the beginning and the end coming together in one place.
Who Decided The Turtle should be Used for Treasure. Once this is established we can start figuring out the rest.
 

Mythical Turtles: Gods, Symbols & World-Bearers​

Lang Khach·December 15, 2024·0 comments









Mythological Animals Turtles: Ancient Symbols of Creation, Wisdom, and Longevity​

Introduction: The Enduring Power of Turtles in Mythology​

Hey there, fellow pet enthusiasts! Ever wonder why turtles pop up so often in ancient myths and legends? These chill, shell-dwelling creatures have captured the human imagination for millennia. It’s not just because they’re cute or live a long time, though that’s part of it. Turtles hold a special place in the stories we tell, representing everything from the creation of the world to the embodiment of wisdom. Let’s dive into the deep end and explore the rich tapestry of turtle mythology from around the globe. It’s gonna be shell-shockingly awesome!

Turtles as World-Bearers and Creators in Mythology​

Many cultures have myths that depict the Earth, or even the entire universe, resting on the back of a giant turtle. It’s a powerful image, right? The turtle, steady and strong, literally supporting the world. Let’s check out some of these foundational myths.

The World Turtle in Native American Traditions​

For many Native American tribes, the “World Turtle” or “Turtle Island” is central to their creation stories. (Image: Depiction of a turtle with a landscape on its back, representing Turtle Island) The Iroquois, for example, tell of Sky Woman falling from the heavens and landing on the back of a giant turtle. Animals helped create land on the turtle’s back, forming the continent we now know as North America. This story highlights the turtle’s role as a foundational being, a source of life and stability. It’s a beautiful way to connect with nature and see our world as a living, breathing entity.

Akūpāra: The Cosmic Turtle of Hindu Mythology​

In Hindu mythology, Akūpāra is a cosmic turtle that supports the Earth. (Image: Illustration of Akūpāra, a giant turtle with elephants and the world on its back) Sometimes, Akūpāra is depicted as supporting elephants, which in turn hold up the world. This imagery emphasizes the interconnectedness of all things, with the turtle as the ultimate bedrock. It’s like the ultimate support system, you know? Akūpāra represents stability, endurance, and the very foundation of existence.

Ao: The Giant Sea Turtle in Chinese Mythology​

Chinese mythology features Ao, a gigantic sea turtle whose legs were used to support the heavens after the god Gong Gong damaged the mountain that previously held up the sky. (Video: Animated depiction of the Chinese myth of Ao supporting the heavens) This story shows the turtle stepping in to restore balance and order to the universe. Ao is a symbol of resilience and the ability to overcome even the most catastrophic events. It’s like, “Hey, the sky’s falling? No worries, I got this!”

Turtles as Symbols of Wisdom and Longevity​

Beyond their role as world-bearers, turtles are often seen as symbols of wisdom and longevity. Their long lifespans and deliberate movements have led many cultures to associate them with knowledge, patience, and a deep understanding of the world. Let’s explore some examples.

The Black Tortoise of the North: Guardian and Symbol of Winter in Chinese Mythology​

In Chinese tradition, the Black Tortoise, or Xuanwu, is one of the Four Symbols of the Chinese constellations. (Image: Depiction of the Black Tortoise, a turtle intertwined with a snake) It represents the north, the winter season, and the element of water. Xuanwu is a powerful guardian deity, symbolizing longevity, stability, and protection. It’s like having a wise, old protector watching over you during the cold, dark months.

Minogame: The Japanese Turtle of Longevity and Good Fortune​

Japanese folklore features the Minogame, a turtle with a long, flowing tail of seaweed. (Image: Illustration of a Minogame with a long, seaweed-covered tail) The Minogame is said to live for thousands of years and is a symbol of longevity, good luck, and happiness. It’s often depicted in art and literature as a companion to deities and wise sages. Who wouldn’t want a lucky turtle buddy, right?

Kurma: The Second Avatar of Vishnu in Turtle Form​

In Hinduism, Kurma is the second avatar of the god Vishnu. (Image: Depiction of Vishnu as Kurma, supporting Mount Mandara during the churning of the ocean) During the churning of the cosmic ocean, a pivotal event in Hindu mythology, Vishnu took the form of a turtle to support Mount Mandara, which was used as a churning stick. This myth highlights the turtle’s strength, stability, and role in maintaining cosmic balance. It’s like the ultimate team player, stepping up when the universe needs a hand…or a shell.

Turtles and Their Connection to Water Deities and Magic​

Turtles, being aquatic creatures, are often associated with water deities and magical practices in various cultures. Their connection to the watery realm gives them a mystical aura, linking them to the forces of nature and the unseen world.

Turtles and the Egyptian God of Chaos, Apophis​

In ancient Egypt, turtles were sometimes associated with Apophis, the serpent deity of chaos and darkness. (Image: Ancient Egyptian depiction of a turtle, potentially associated with Apophis) This association likely stemmed from the turtle’s ability to survive in murky waters and its perceived connection to the underworld. However, it’s important to note that not all turtles were seen negatively in Egyptian mythology. It’s a bit of a mixed bag, really, showing that even in ancient times, people had complex views on these creatures.

Heqet: The Egyptian Frog-Headed Goddess and Her Association with Turtles​

While some turtles were linked to chaos, others were associated with more positive deities. Heqet, the frog-headed goddess of fertility and childbirth, was sometimes depicted with a turtle. (Image: Depiction of Heqet, the Egyptian frog-headed goddess) This association likely stems from the turtle’s connection to water and its symbolic representation of new life. It’s like a reminder that even in the muddiest waters, life finds a way.

Turtles in Ancient Mesopotamian Magic and Rituals​

In ancient Mesopotamia, turtle shells were used in divination and magical rituals. (Image: Example of an ancient Mesopotamian artifact featuring a turtle shell) The patterns on the shells were believed to hold hidden meanings and were used to predict the future or communicate with the gods. It’s like having a direct line to the divine, right there in your hands…or on your back, if you’re a turtle.

Turtles in Folklore and Legends: Tricksters and Heroes​

Turtles aren’t just symbols of cosmic forces; they also play starring roles in folktales and legends, often as tricksters or unlikely heroes. These stories showcase the turtle’s wit, resilience, and ability to outsmart even the most formidable opponents.

The Tortoise and the Hare: Aesop’s Fable on Perseverance​

Perhaps the most famous turtle story of all is Aesop’s fable of “The Tortoise and the Hare.” (Video: Animated retelling of Aesop’s “The Tortoise and the Hare”) We all know this one, right? The slow and steady tortoise wins the race against the speedy but overconfident hare. This tale teaches us the importance of perseverance, determination, and the dangers of underestimating others. Slow and steady wins the race, folks! It’s a classic for a reason.

Mbeji: The Wise Tortoise of West African Folklore​

In West African folklore, Mbeji, the tortoise, is a recurring character known for his wisdom, cunning, and trickery. (Image: Artistic depiction of Mbeji, the wise tortoise from West African folklore) Mbeji often uses his intelligence to outsmart larger, stronger animals, teaching lessons about humility, resourcefulness, and the power of the mind. He’s like the ultimate underdog, proving that brains can beat brawn any day.

The Legend of the Golden Turtle in Vietnamese Culture​

Vietnamese legend tells of a magical golden turtle, Kim Qui, who helped Emperor An Dương Vương build the ancient citadel of Cổ Loa. (Image: Illustration of the Golden Turtle from Vietnamese legend) Kim Qui also gifted the emperor a magical crossbow that could defeat any enemy. This story highlights the turtle’s role as a protector, a provider of wisdom, and a symbol of national identity. It’s like having a mythical guardian angel, but way cooler because it’s a golden turtle.

The Influence of Mythological Turtles in Modern Culture​

The legacy of mythological turtles extends far beyond ancient stories. These creatures continue to inspire us today, appearing in popular culture, art, and even spiritual practices. Let’s see how these ancient symbols have adapted to the modern world.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: From Comic Book Heroes to Pop Culture Icons​

Who could forget the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? (Image: Image of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) These pizza-loving, crime-fighting heroes have become pop culture icons, appearing in comics, cartoons, movies, and video games. While they’re not exactly traditional mythological turtles, they embody many of the same qualities: strength, resilience, and a strong sense of justice. Plus, they’re just plain fun! Cowabunga, dudes!

Turtles in Fantasy Literature and Film: Discworld and Others​

Turtles also make appearances in fantasy literature and film. Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series, for example, features a giant turtle named Great A’Tuin, who carries the Discworld on its back. (Image: Illustration of Great A’Tuin carrying the Discworld) This is a direct nod to the world-bearer myths we discussed earlier. Turtles also pop up in other fantasy works, often as wise mentors or magical creatures. They bring a sense of wonder and ancient wisdom to these fictional worlds.

The Continued Use of Turtle Symbolism in Art, Tattoos, and Spiritual Practices​

Even today, turtle symbolism remains powerful in art, tattoos, and spiritual practices. (Image: Example of a turtle tattoo design) People get turtle tattoos to represent longevity, protection, or a connection to nature. Turtle imagery is used in art to evoke feelings of peace, stability, and wisdom. And in some spiritual traditions, turtles are seen as guides or totems, offering guidance and support on our life journeys. It’s like carrying a little piece of ancient wisdom with you wherever you go.

Conclusion: The Timeless Allure of Mythological Turtles​

So, there you have it! From world-bearers to wise tricksters, turtles have played a significant role in human mythology for thousands of years. Their enduring presence in our stories speaks to their unique qualities: their longevity, their connection to the water, their resilience, and their quiet wisdom. These creatures remind us of the importance of patience, perseverance, and a deep connection to the natural world. The next time you see a turtle, take a moment to appreciate its rich history and the powerful symbolism it carries. You might just find yourself inspired by its ancient wisdom and timeless allure. And remember, whether it’s a real turtle or one in a story, these shelled wonders have a lot to teach us. Keep exploring, keep learning, and keep your shell on! You never know what amazing discoveries you’ll make.

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Lang Khach


sandy1, It seems among other things, they were thought to be spiritual, wise, fascinating, magical, connected to gods, even philosophical & future revealing, by many civilizations.
Since Turtles, & Baby Turtles emerging from the earth, are a common theme with the Spanish/Jesuit Treasure stuff, they may have gotten much of their learning
& or, magical or spiritual, mythological or traditional implications, from some of the Ancient's mythology they studied. Whose info did they most likely
have the greatest access to?
My guess without more studying is the Egyptians or Mesopotamians, of whom they most likely had mulitiple aspects of reason to study?
Thanks in advance for opening this subject up, looking forward to the info you share & shed light on.
 
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