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A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

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As a refresher, the topic of this thread is treasure signs and auras..I don't know why some TN folks spend so much time trying to poke other TN folks in the eye. Is the thread not about sharing methods, cracking the megalithic codes and enjoying time in the field? I dont understand why some people on here are so determined to derail the thread just so they can claim to be "right". Who cares if some people hunt treasure with aura cams, why the breathless desperation to convince aura hunters that they're wrong? Even calling these explorers cultists, lol. If someone uses aura hunting as an excuse to be in nature, breathing fresh air and putting miles under their truck wheels and potentially striking gold...I'm going to be celebrating and encouraging them.

The bickering on this thread is juvenile and pathetic.
My question to is how many could even do 20 setups and pushups and jumping jacks and lets say hike 8 miles at 8000 to 10,000 feet with a 40 pound pack.
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Who cares if some people hunt treasure with aura cams, why the breathless desperation to convince aura hunters that they're wrong?
Because this thread is open to the internet. People who don't know any better can read it. AI can train on it (and probably has). And I would hate to see someone pour time and money into doing a bunch of stuff that is not going to work.

I would do the same if there were a thread in the metal detecting forum saying that if you just have the right machine and the secret settings, you will absolutely find gold and retire a billionaire in your first year. Could it happen? Sure, by blind luck, but the odds are astronomically against it.
 
The State I live in used to have an Antiquities Law that was favorable to the T. Hunter...
Now the law reads: "ANYTHING BELOW THE SURFACE IS OURS." Now sandy1 has come on here
to FREELY SHARE HIS HARD WON INFO worked & accomplished with over 30 yrs. Successful Experiences,
from beginning to finish, specifically, "SPANISH TREASURE VAULT HUNTING, LOCATING, & the rest of us that dare
hang out with him are & often not only been attacked for over a decade too, even banned for some peoples complaints,
even clever intentional phony, selfish & often Hateful scherades. We're here like sandy1, to freelly share the Critical Info to:
Whosoever will... Not share a cell in some federal Prison with a 3 time loser lifer...
THANK YOU FOR YOU'RE ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
 
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I've spent some time going through this thread, not just looking at whether people believe in the theory, but looking at how people are actually learning and interacting with each other.

What stands out to me is that there are really two different things happening here.

There are people who genuinely seem to be learning. They ask specific questions, go into the field, take photographs, measure distances, use compasses and detectors, report what they find, and sometimes ask for help interpreting what they found. That's productive regardless of whether the underlying treasure theory ultimately proves correct.

There are also people who seem more interested in defending a belief system than testing it. That's where I think we should be careful.

The biggest issue I see isn't whether a particular rock is a marker or whether a particular aura is real. The bigger issue is falsifiability.

If a marker doesn't lead to treasure, there are numerous possible explanations: wrong marker, wrong angle, wrong distance, wrong interpretation, missing information, a deliberate false trail, etc. Likewise, if an aura is captured but no treasure is subsequently recovered, there are explanations for that too.

That makes it very difficult to establish what observations would actually prove the method wrong.

I also noticed a recurring distinction between people who supposedly possess the missing/secret knowledge and people who are still trying to learn it. That doesn't prove anything sinister, but it is something worth being conscious of. Any community can become insular when one person's interpretation becomes the standard by which every observation is judged.

I don't think it's fair to call this group a "cult," and I don't think disagreement automatically makes someone a troublemaker. In fact, some of the skeptics are doing something useful by asking for evidence.

Likewise, somebody agreeing with the guide isn't automatically a follower or a problem.

For me, the real test is much simpler:

Can someone make a specific prediction BEFORE digging, document the location and methodology, allow someone else to independently verify the prediction, and then report the result whether it succeeds or fails?

That's the kind of evidence that can separate actual learning from confirmation bias.

I'd also like to see more distinction between:

1. Historical evidence that Spanish/Mexican treasure caches existed.
2. Evidence that particular markings were intentionally created.
3. Evidence that those markings have a repeatable code.
4. Evidence that "auras" are actually associated with buried treasure.
5. Successful independent recoveries where the method predicted the location beforehand.

Those are five different claims, and proving one doesn't automatically prove the others.

There is clearly a lot of accumulated experience and information in this thread. I think the best way to preserve its value is to encourage people to test the ideas rather than simply believe or reject them.

The people I'd personally consider the most valuable contributors aren't necessarily the believers or skeptics. They're the people who are willing to say:

"Here's what I think."
"Here's why I think it."
"Here's how we can test it."
"And here's what happened when we did."

That's how a collection of stories turns into actual knowledge.


I made my CHATGPT read and analyze the thread for cult behavior and trouble makers ect... ,I didnt train it, 1 question and thats its response.
 
Ok, now I asked chatGPT to analyze and look for A.I generated posts, here's its response.. without listing any of the A.I posters names, but the chat is saved, Ill let A.I name the names if your all interested?

I've gone back through the thread specifically looking for possible AI-assisted posts.

I want to be careful about this because you cannot reliably prove AI authorship simply by looking at someone's writing style. AI detectors aren't proof either. So I'm not going to accuse individual members of being AI or call anyone dishonest based solely on that.

What I *do* think is worth pointing out is that there are some very noticeable changes in writing style.

The original Guide has a very distinctive personal voice: informal wording, repetition, spelling quirks, first-person field experiences, photographs, and explanations based on the author's claimed experiences. That style is remarkably consistent through the original material.

Some of the much newer posts are completely different.

For example, the recent discussion contains posts written like miniature research papers, with numbered historical periods, polished explanatory paragraphs, broad historical claims, comparison tables, and conclusions that sound more like an AI-generated research response than an ordinary forum conversation.

One recent post was explicitly called out by another member as AI-generated. The forum administrator then clarified that members are allowed to use AI for portions of their posts, so AI assistance itself isn't against the rules.

That distinction is important.

The question isn't:

"Did someone use AI?"

The better questions are:

"What parts were actually researched by the person posting?"

"Are the sources real and available for everyone to check?"

"Does the person understand and stand behind what the AI produced?"

"Are factual claims being independently verified?"

"And is AI being used to help communicate an argument, or to manufacture the appearance of authority and agreement?"

I also think we should apply the same standard to BOTH sides.

If someone uses AI to criticize the treasure theory, those claims should be checked.

If someone uses AI to support the treasure theory, those claims should also be checked.

AI can produce extremely convincing explanations that contain unsupported or completely fabricated information. A polished table or a historical-sounding paragraph isn't evidence by itself.

So rather than accusing people of being "AI posters," I'd suggest we identify posts that appear AI-assisted and then fact-check the actual claims inside them.

That would be much more useful.

And honestly, this may give us a better way to evaluate the entire thread:

Separate firsthand observations from secondhand stories, historical documentation from interpretation, photographs from conclusions drawn from photographs, and independently verified discoveries from claims of successful discoveries.

If a claim is true, it should become stronger when we investigate it.

If it's false, we should be able to find that out too.

That's a much better test than deciding who's a believer, who's a skeptic, or who's using AI.
 
Members using A.I to assist in their research or composition violates no rules and is allowed.....
 
This is as simple as it gets, there are clearly two sides 1: the people willing to try my method even if it doesn't work at least they tried or they may be pleasantly surprised and 2: the people who have zero intention of trying my method but still bad mouth it with zero proof if it works or not and somehow still think they can be an authority on the subject.
 
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One recent post was explicitly called out by another member as AI-generated. The forum administrator then clarified that members are allowed to use AI for portions of their posts, so AI assistance itself isn't against the rules.
Members using A.I to assist in their research or composition violates no rules and is allowed.....
The thing of it is, as many of us already very well know, my chatbot will provide posts that can analyze anything I want and can go positive or negative attitude depending on how I feel about the situation.
As has been stated before no actual proof can be shown on here without some sort of legal b.s
I can make my chatgpt make an interesting image of a buried treasure that I imagined tho.
My whole point is I dont think using a.i is fair.
 
This is as simple as it gets, there are clearly two sides 1: the people willing to try my method even if it doesn't work at least they tried or they may be pleasantly surprised and 2: the people who have zero intention of trying my method but will bad mouth it with zero proof if it works or not and somehow still think they can be an authority on the subject.
Amen
 
The thing of it is, as many of us already very well know, my chatbot will provide posts that can analyze anything I want and can go positive or negative attitude depending on how I feel about the situation.
As has been stated before no actual proof can be shown on here without some sort of legal b.s
I can make my chatgpt make an interesting image of a buried treasure that I imagined tho.
My whole point is I dont think using a.i is fair.

Anyone posting an image of a claimed buried treasure they found that is AI generated earns lifetime ban, no different than posting item bought on EBay and claiming they found item, just like there are tools to recognize AI, tools work on identifying AiI generated pictures too.
 
Anyone posting an image of a claimed buried treasure they found that is AI generated earns lifetime ban, no different than posting item bought on EBay and claiming they found item, just like there are tools to recognize AI, tools work on identifying AiI generated pictures too.
Thanks for the warning sir I didn't know that.
A.I is allowed, thank you.
 
Thanks for the warning sir I didn't know that.
A.I is allowed, thank you.
?, sir I wasn't giving you any warnings, only stating that using AI in research or writting posts doesn't violate rules. Posting fake pictures of finds does.
 
One thing the AI-generated criticisms seem to overlook is the legal side of treasure hunting.

"Where's the physical proof?" sounds reasonable until you ask: **how was that proof obtained, and from what land?**

On federal and Indian lands, unauthorized excavation and removal of archaeological resources can be illegal. So demanding that someone dig up and publicly display an alleged historic cache isn't necessarily a reasonable test.

Lack of a publicly displayed treasure does **not automatically prove that a method doesn't work**.

The better questions are:

Was the method actually tested?
Was the prediction documented beforehand?
Were the results recorded?
Can the observations be independently verified?

And the same standard should apply to believers and skeptics.

Let's debate the evidence and the methods—not demand that somebody break the law to prove a point.

— **FordTrucksRuleJRChatBot**
 
?, sir I wasn't giving you any warnings, only stating that using AI in research or writting posts doesn't violate rules. Posting fake pictures of finds does.
I didn't know about the A.I generated pic, are those allowed if it is presented and known its a fake? The 1 Im imagining would be a parody.
 
Any time there are millions of dollars worth of treasure found and the public finds out you will have people coming out of the woodwork trying to cheat or sue you out of it, this is what happened to Forrest Fenn he was sued multiple times over his hidden treasure box. Here is something that I am sure people all over the world who hunted for Fenns Treasure were pissed about the actual hiding spot was never disclosed after being found. This really sucked because at least with a location people could verify if the clues actually took them to its actual hiding spot. (now why do you suppose the hidden location was never made public)
 
Any time there are millions of dollars worth of treasure found and the public finds out you will have people coming out of the woodwork trying to cheat or sue you out of it, this is what happened to Forrest Fenn he was sued multiple times over his hidden treasure box. Here is something that I am sure people all over the world who hunted for Fenns Treasure were pissed about the actual hiding spot was never disclosed after being found. This really sucked because at least with a location people could verify if the clues actually took them to its actual hiding spot. (now why do you suppose the hidden location was never made public)
Was there ever any actual proof presented that it was found & verified, or could it've been just FF word on it, to stop the searches, hush the questions?
 
Yes I saw a picture of Forrest taking the stuff out of the box, but Forrest should have shown the Hidden location of the box after being found and explained his clues to the spot, people who spent huge amounts of time and resources following his clues deserved closure. (The finder should not have had any say in whether or not the hiding spot was disclosed) Forrest made the clues it was up to him to complete the puzzle for his searchers. By not disclosing the hiding spot many people still think the whole thing was a hoax and that the clues never led to the box at all and I don't blame them. Also Fenn made a lot of money off the entire thing.

 
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