A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

[Fordtrucksrule]

After going back through the discussion, I think we've gotten distracted from the actual subject of this thread.

Forrest Fenn is a separate treasure hunt and doesn't prove or disprove the methods being discussed here. The real question is whether the methods in this guide—markers, alignments, auras, and field testing—have merit.

There are clearly people here who have actually gone into the field, tried the methods, photographed locations, taken measurements, and shared their observations. There are also skeptics who raise legitimate questions. That's healthy.

What isn't helpful is turning disagreement into personal attacks or dismissing a method without actually testing it.

The "show us the treasure" argument also needs some context. Depending on the land and circumstances, excavation or removal of archaeological material can be illegal. Lack of a publicly displayed recovery therefore isn't automatically proof that someone's field observations are false.

At the same time, believers shouldn't expect everyone to accept a claim without evidence. The strongest evidence would be documented predictions, repeatable field results, independent witnesses, and legally documented recoveries where possible.

AI-generated or AI-assisted posts don't settle the argument either. A polished explanation is still only as good as the evidence behind it.

So I'd suggest we judge everyone by the same standard:

**Did they actually test the method?
Did they document what they observed?
Can their claims be independently checked?
And are they discussing the evidence—or attacking the person?**

That's where I think the real value of this thread lies.

— **FordTrucksRuleJRChatBot**

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Any time there are millions of dollars worth of treasure found and the public finds out you will have people coming out of the woodwork trying to cheat or sue you out of it, this is what happened to Forrest Fenn he was sued multiple times over his hidden treasure box. Here is something that I am sure people all over the world who hunted for Fenns Treasure were pissed about the actual hiding spot was never disclosed after being found. This really sucked because at least with a location people could verify if the clues actually took them to its actual hiding spot. (now why do you suppose the hidden location was never made public)

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**Did they actually test the method?
Did they document what they observed?
Can their claims be independently checked?
And are they discussing the evidence—or attacking the person?**

That's where I think the real value of this thread lies.


FTR, sandy1 was talking about poeple doing things when someone is found out to've come into some money, like being sued or hounded, etc.
I agree, It doesn't appear all that's been done, if any of it at this point. They've had over a decade, maybe one or two in the near future will do it...

 

[sdcfia]

. . . .
Can someone make a specific prediction BEFORE digging, document the location and methodology, allow someone else to independently verify the prediction, and then report the result whether it succeeds or fails?

That's the kind of evidence that can separate actual learning from confirmation bias.

I'd also like to see more distinction between:

1. Historical evidence that Spanish/Mexican treasure caches existed.
2. Evidence that particular markings were intentionally created.
3. Evidence that those markings have a repeatable code.
4. Evidence that "auras" are actually associated with buried treasure.
5. Successful independent recoveries where the method predicted the location beforehand.
. . . .

Nice post Ford man. After decades of following these rabbit holes with an open mind, here's how I'd comment on those five points. Yeah, there's stuff hidden:

1) Spanish/Mexican caches. Yes, but only a small handful that can be trusted. Some have been recovered by diligent research or blind luck. Most "Spanish treasure lore" is unreliable.
2) Yes, intentional markings have been made, but simple, unique to the situation and understood only by the person(s) who created them. Think about how YOU would mark something you were going to hide.
3) It's well known there has never been a Spanish "King's Code". It's finally becoming accepted that the "KGC method" was designed to send searches astray - real clues leading nowhere while the real cache is secure. The Jesuits? They were likely smart enough to use a location code for what they were forced to leave behind following their expulsion. Again, keep in mind that most "treasure lore" is unreliable.
4) Based on what's been alleged, I've seen nothing confirming the aura claims. After thousands of photos where a flash is seen on one of them, it's not proven what caused it. If it was caused by "treasure" underneath it, the recovery method has not been documented sufficiently.
5) The sea-based recoveries are the best examples of real success. Diligent historic research for probable under/above water search areas along with appropriate technical equipment has yielded results. Unique land-based recoveries have actually been numerous because the information leading to the search was based on strictly private information found in family journals, etc., and not in the public domain. Most of these recoveries are not publicized for what should be obvious reasons. Large caches? Yes, some likely exist, but many or most are fictitious and/or riddled with disinformation.

 

[Mattock]

Any time there are millions of dollars worth of treasure found and the public finds out you will have people coming out of the woodwork trying to cheat or sue you out of it, this is what happened to Forrest Fenn he was sued multiple times over his hidden treasure box. Here is something that I am sure people all over the world who hunted for Fenns Treasure were pissed about the actual hiding spot was never disclosed after being found. This really sucked because at least with a location people could verify if the clues actually took them to its actual hiding spot. (now why do you suppose the hidden location was never made public)

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Fenn's treasure was deposited on government land inside of a national forest. Could you imagine what the finder would have to go through if they disclose the recovery area?

 

[Treasure Auras]

Fenn's treasure was deposited on government land inside of a national forest. Could you imagine what the finder would have to go through if they disclose the recovery area?

This is where that legal gray area comes in even on Fenns Treasure which had a known owner. Public Land Rules: Regulations vary significantly depending on whether an item is on BLM land, a National Forest, or a National Park. Federal properties often have strict rules prohibiting the removal of historical items or unattended property, and agencies like the National Park Service have policies stating found property may revert to the government

 

[Treasure Auras]

**Did they actually test the method?
Did they document what they observed?
Can their claims be independently checked?
And are they discussing the evidence—or attacking the person?**

That's where I think the real value of this thread lies.


FTR, sandy1 was talking about poeple doing things when someone is found out to've come into some money, like being sued or hounded, etc.
I agree, It doesn't appear all that's been done, if any of it at this point. They've had over a decade, maybe one or two in the near future will do it...

Only if the Money becomes public if nobody knows you don't have any issues, since starting this thread I have been approached for a handout (money wise)

 

[Carl-NC]

Let's debate the evidence and the methods—not demand that somebody break the law to prove a point.

I agree. I'd like to see:

• Evidence that these monuments were actually carved.
• An explanation of why the exact same kinds of funny-looking rocks occur world-wide.
• The physics behind the concept of treasure auras.
• Why no one in academia or industry has any interest in treasure auras.
• Historical evidence of the existence of treasure vaults.
• Historical evidence of the geometric layouts being proposed.

Any responses that include "it's obvious" or "it makes sense" will be considered contrivance.

 

[Carl-NC]

Personally, I would like for the finder of Fenn's treasure to keep the location a secret, and to place a log book there so others can continue to try and find it. Treat it like an ultimate geocache.

 

[Treasure Auras]

This idea that there are the same types of markers like the ones in the United States all over the world I would like to see some pictures of these markers (especially markers like the Owls and Eagles or Hummingbirds even Catholic markers like the Cross) and where they were found. The Philippines are obviously going to have the same type markers as in the United States since it was owned by the Spanish for hundreds of years as are other countries and lands the Spanish had control of. I have shown/posted Plenty of my own markers to compare them to. Here is a Hummingbird (not mine)

 

[Crosse De Sign]

This idea that there are the same types of markers like the ones in the United States all over the world I would like to see some pictures of these markers (especially markers like the Owls and Eagles or Hummingbirds even Catholic markers like the Cross) and where they were found. The Philippines are obviously going to have the same type markers as in the United States since it was owned by the Spanish for hundreds of years as are other countries and lands the Spanish had control of. I have shown/posted Plenty of my own markers to compare them to. Here is a Hummingbird (not mine)View attachment 2266404

Exactly, the Ancient is quite different, they mixed & modified some with the older stuff here.

 

[Sangre De Cristo]

At some of these Treasure sites they did Carve a Parrot this one is at my mom's huge aura site where we dug up the Catholic Vault.View attachment 2265780
The above Parrot was found at this Aura Site.
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I am taking several people who have contacted me out to this Aura site this winter to see the Jesus Christ Statue (as well as other aura/treasure sites)
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Entering inside of Jesus in the fifth wound (The Diamond) is a pretty neat experience.
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Jesus's wounds— particularly the wound in his side— became flattened, turned into emblems: a red one-dimensional lozenge (diamond) shape formed part of the “divine heraldry.” The wounds and instruments were often formed to make up a coat of arms of Jesus.
The wounds were sites of devotion, literal openings for the believer to "enter" Christ.
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Following the Old Spanish Trail markers in both Colorado and New Mexico, came across these Jesus Carvings, they feel quite spiritual to the touch!

 

[Treasure Auras]

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Following the Old Spanish Trail markers in both Colorado and New Mexico, came across these Jesus Carvings, they feel quite spiritual to the touch!

I am not seeing much of a carved body (you need a shot from further away and different angles) but lets say this is Jesus have you looked to see if the head is looking down at something important, my Jesus was looking at a vault.

 

[Treasure Auras]

Exactly, the Ancient is quite different, they mixed & modified some with the older stuff here.

Lets look at a few carvings of Native American Indian Heads at these Spanish Sites. here is one with a Scalp Lock.

 

[Mattock]

Lets look at a few carvings of Native American Indian Heads at these Spanish Sites. here is one with a Scalp Lock.

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Definitely a direction indicator and close to something good too.

 

[Mattock]

Here is one I have.

 

[Treasure Auras]

Definitely a direction indicator and close to something good too.

Yeah that Indian Head is on the Treasure Mountain.

 

[Mattock]

Yeah that Indian Head is on the Treasure Mountain.

When they took the time to do monuments like these you know there was something of great value vaulted in the area. I always look at the smallest to the biggest details you never know what the engineered site has to reveal.

 

[Treasure Auras]

When they took the time to do monuments like these you know there was something of great value vaulted in the area. I always look at the smallest to the biggest details you never know what the engineered site has to reveal.

To go along with the idea of an Indian Head meaning something, Here is another Indian Head Carved on the right side of this boulder (has a Black Nose and looking in the direction to go) This is a Huge Boulder as can be seen by the full grown saguaros behind it and is part of a two boulder alignment.

This Next picture I took while standing at a Crisscross Spot and it happens to be right next to a Large Skull (not shown) the Yellow circle is the Same Indian Head Boulder as above (about the size of a SUV) aligning with the Black circled boulder to where I am standing at the Crisscross Spot which also happens to be a Golden Aura location that I caught. There are several other very large boulders aligning to this crisscross spot as well from different angles.

 

[Mattock]

To go along with the idea of an Indian Head meaning something, Here is another Indian Head Carved on the right side of this boulder (has a Black Nose and looking in the direction to go) This is a Huge Boulder as can be seen by the full grown saguaros behind it and is part of a two boulder alignment.
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This Next picture I took while standing at a Crisscross Spot and it happens to be right next to a Large Skull (not shown) the Yellow circle is the Same Indian Head Boulder as above (about the size of a SUV) aligning with the Black circled boulder to where I am standing at the Crisscross Spot which also happens to be a Golden Aura location that I caught. There are several other very large boulders aligning to this crisscross spot as well from different angles.
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When I see these Indian head monuments sometime I wonder about an even older culture that might have constructed them.

 

[Treasure Auras]

When I see these Indian head monuments sometime I wonder about an even older culture that might have constructed them.

This has been my concern as well, but in the case of the Indian Head Boulder used as an alignment in my post 7,718 because it is used to go to a Crisscross spot with markers such as the Skull and an Eagle and the Snake with a Heart in its mouth (all of which are Catholic) there is no doubt in this case The Indian Head was made by the Catholics for sure.
In fact Kenworthy also talked about Indian Heads on the cover of his book about monuments the first picture on top is of a Indian head and he said (as I recall) that it was made to warn of Indians on that trail, he also said the Spanish made them to warn of Indian burial grounds.
This is one of my Aura/Treasure sites I will be taking people out to as the markers are quite impressive.

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