all are hafted scapers

[outlawatheart]

these have a nice variety of types.

 

[rock]

Those are nice I dont find many like that mine are hand held type.

 

[Charl]

Very nice group. These are all quartz from a field that has given up dozens. Some probably made from scratch, some salvaged from points like the one in the center. Called End Scrapers because it was the end, or leading edge, that was utilized...

 

[larson1951]

View attachment 916816these have a nice variety of types.

i would say about 7-8 out of ten of those were made like that they are nice

 

[GatorBoy]

i would say about 7-8 out of ten of those were made like that they are nice

It's so interesting how two people can see things so differently.
I can only see maybe one that wasn't a salvaged point in that group

 

[Tnmountains]

What I see here are the final reduction stages to salvage a point into a tool. The end game for it. I think it depends upon the site/area a to wether they were just making hafted scrapers or salvaging tools. Here are two examples a Buzzard Roost bifurcate and one that was just made as a scraper. I will not assign a name to it due to the base/stem being un worked. I can imagine with a buffalo site them having to make them as they processed a lot of meat. In the south east or coastal areas not so much. It was just a final natural stage for a worn out knife. This is just my opinion though. If they were just making them they would always be a stemmer.But when you find a base like a buzzed roost you know its a salvage job.
Anyway you slice it nice collection outlaw. Merry Christmas.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I suggest the nuendo insults stop now or enjoy A nice vacation.



We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[larson1951]

I suggest the nuendo insults stop now or enjoy A nice vacation.



We will NOT go quietly into the night!

i agree with that 100%

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Great looking Hafties outlawatheart. I love these little Tools myself.

Here are some of mine from southern Ohio and northern Kentucky.

 

[bci101tractors]

Those are very nice Outlaw... congrats, midwest shelter finds?
Charl, that quartz is outstanding.

 

[monsterrack]

Everyone very nice collection

 

[outlawatheart]

Thnx GR...great looking frames.

Great looking Hafties outlawatheart. I love these little Tools myself.

Here are some of mine from southern Ohio and northern Kentucky.

 

[outlawatheart]

Those came from all over my area bci

Those are very nice Outlaw... congrats, midwest shelter finds?
Charl, that quartz is outstanding.

 

[larson1951]

View attachment 916816these have a nice variety of types.

outlaw you have about 40 nice tools there

would you be so kind as to post an image of the back sides of them?
i would really value that information
where i'm at scrapers are prolific but they are not of this type

 

[outlawatheart]

It may take a bit Larson I mixed them back in to their storage box but will sort thru them and try to match them to the posted pic with the opposite side showing.
We have lots of the flake scrapers here too. I'm sure most hunters here have a bucket or two of them somewhere near their camp stone tool piles...LOL. Merry Christmas Sir!!

outlaw you have about 40 nice tools there

would you be so kind as to post an image of the back sides of them?
i would really value that information
where i'm at scrapers are prolific but they are not of this type

 

[larson1951]

hey hey thanks outlaw
i don't expect you to go through that much work
i just wanted to see the back sides to settle in my mind if many are uniface or not
i am just trying to learn
i have always been told that most of those were made and some are resharpened points......but i don't know just tryin' to see for myself

 

[outlawatheart]

both sides are work well on all of those and believe that most of them started out as points

hey hey thanks outlaw
i don't expect you to go through that much work
i just wanted to see the back sides to settle in my mind if many are uniface or not
i am just trying to learn
i have always been told that most of those were made and some are resharpened points......but i don't know just tryin' to see for myself

 

[larson1951]

i would say about 7-8 out of ten of those were made like that they are nice

well i am starting to think i am dead wrong about what i said
but what i can't figure out is the need for scrapers where i am is about ten to one as compared to points.......
....so i wonder how did they get enuff broke points to satisfy the need?

 

[Charl]

well i am starting to think i am dead wrong about what i said
but what i can't figure out is the need for scrapers where i am is about ten to one as compared to points.......
....so i wonder how did they get enuff broke points to satisfy the need?

Besides end scrapers(aka "stem" scrapers), there are unifacial, thumbnail, side, steepedge, oval scrapers, and choppers.
if the stem area on a end scraper displays a base that is an easily identifiable point type, it's likely a reworked point; otherwise, you only need a simple hafting area, and would not necessarily craft a base mimicking a point style. A simple stem would be easier. For which reason many end scrapers you can see were made from scratch. The quartz examples I showed above we're produced by a Late Archaic culture that employed a quartz pebble industry. No cores, no quarries, just pick up a quartz pebble and quickly fashion a small stem point or end scraper. Of the ones illustrated here, looks like the one in lower right was made off a point; the others mostly not.

 

[Tnmountains]

Stuff wears down Steve or tip breaks. Good tool work the end and you have a hafted scraper. Here 90% were a previous tool. You know we were plains and prairie here as well with buffalo but that history is very deep now. Merry Christmas.