ALL Metal Shovels Are going to be banned from Florida beaches... DUE TO those who don't fill holes.

[ARC]

Good job lamers who dont fill holes... and those who just like digging large holes.

No digging at all has been / and is being discussed from sources.

sheesh.

Holmes beach just passed a law banning them already.

 

[Gare]

Good post ARC Some people just do not care what there actions can cause.

 

[mtdoramike]

Make no mistake, they are using this as an excuse to band metal detectors. You have kids as well as adults who dig holes at the beach and most don't fill them in because they assume the tide will do it, which it usually does. The proof of this is jumping right to banning of shovels or digging tools rather than creating an ordinance fining folks for not filling in holes.

To make my point, While visiting family in St. Thomas USVI, I noticed a huge sign at the entrance of Magens Bay beach that banned metal detectors. I met one of the Care Takers for Magen's beach who sat on the board and who was the one who created that self serving rule. I questioned him as to why metal detectors were banned, He replied they used to allow them, but they were bothering the guest, I ask how, he said by asking them if they lost anything. I told him I do it all the time while at the beach when I see someone looking around for something that they dropped and to offer my services to help find the item. It's a service offered to the community by most all metal detectorist. Then he brought up the holes, I said most ethical detectorist fill in their holes, even at the beach because they don't want to lose privileges. I then asked him if it swayed him on changing the rules back and he said no, so I told him it really had nothing to do with any of that it was mainly the optics of it, he replied I guess so.

It just goes to show the times, they are a changing. I have noticed more and more people are getting more hostile when metal detecting and thought it was mainly because they don't like people finding things that are lost and keeping them because it may have been something they owned at one time.

 

[pepperj]

Good job lamers who dont fill holes... and those who just like digging large holes.

No digging at all has been / and is being discussed from sources.

sheesh.

Holmes beach just passed a law banning them already.

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Carbon fiber, plastic so one just has to not be using "metal".
Play within the rule book.

 

[Bamasteve]

Carbon fiber, plastic so one just has to not be using "metal".
Play within the rule book.
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It’s a shame that the ones that do follow the rules are the ones that are punished for those that don’t. Always has been and probably always will be. So now we’ve gotta invest more money into an already none too inexpensive hobby. Pisses me off!

 

[pepperj]

It’s a shame that the ones that do follow the rules are the ones that are punished for those that don’t. Always has been and probably always will be. So now we’ve gotta invest more money into an already none too inexpensive hobby. Pisses me off!

The 90/10% factor.
Shame/punish the 90 for everything it seems.

 

[robertk]

Good job lamers who dont fill holes... and those who just like digging large holes.

No digging at all has been / and is being discussed from sources.

Is this a reaction to metal detectorists leaving holes open, or to people dying from sand holes collapsing (that were most likely not dug by detectorists)?

 

[ARC]

Is this a reaction to metal detectorists leaving holes open, or to people dying from sand holes collapsing (that were most likely not dug by detectorists)?

Its multiple things... come on Rob... common sense here.

Open holes are an eyesore at the VERY least to MOST that see one... and a hazard for everything from people to animals.

We have sea turtles (that are already an endangered species) that get stuck and then cook in the sun and die from the inability to climb from a hole back to the water.
Especially the newborn / hatchlings / baby ones are most vulnerable to even some of the basic smaller holes along with other sea life that also can fall victim to being stuck in a human made hole.

One day even you...
may be walking on a beach enjoying the view or looking wherever and the next thing you know you are on the way to hospital with a broken ankle... or at the least a sprained one walking now with a limp.
OR perhaps not you BUT... your kid or grandchild or elderly family member.

-(talk about a good time ender / vacation ruined)- and a bad taste left in anyone's mouth.

Leaving ANY type of hole or trash or any other noticeable alteration by a metal detectorist
IS A SERIOUS ethics breaker / no no in this hobby / craft.

 

[robertk]

Its multiple things... come on Rob... common sense here.

I know that. I posted what I did so that people don't think it's just those pesky detectorists. I know it isn't. You know it isn't. Most regulars to this site know it isn't. But anyone on the internet can stumble on this post from a search engine or an AI summary of "why can't I dig on the beach anymore". Just making sure the counterpoint is included.

 

[CreekSide]

It’s the government they don’t want you become rich and not pay taxes. It’s the same rules as hunting for points. They don’t want you to pick them up but yet nobody is working for them picking them up. The parks say you can metal detect but you can’t dig and anything worth more than $25 you have to turn it in to the park office.

 

[Gare]

Make no mistake, they are using this as an excuse to band metal detectors. You have kids as well as adults who dig holes at the beach and most don't fill them in because they assume the tide will do it, which it usually does. The proof of this is jumping right to banning of shovels or digging tools rather than creating an ordinance fining folks for not filling in holes.

To make my point, While visiting family in St. Thomas USVI, I noticed a huge sign at the entrance of Magens Bay beach that banned metal detectors. I met one of the Care Takers for Magen's beach who sat on the board and who was the one who created that self serving rule. I questioned him as to why metal detectors were banned, He replied they used to allow them, but they were bothering the guest, I ask how, he said by asking them if they lost anything. I told him I do it all the time while at the beach when I see someone looking around for something that they dropped and to offer my services to help find the item. It's a service offered to the community by most all metal detectorist. Then he brought up the holes, I said most ethical detectorist fill in their holes, even at the beach because they don't want to lose privileges. I then asked him if it swayed him on changing the rules back and he said no, so I told him it really had nothing to do with any of that it was mainly the optics of it, he replied I guess so.

It just goes to show the times, they are a changing. I have noticed more and more people are getting more hostile when metal detecting and thought it was mainly because they don't like people finding things that are lost and keeping them because it may have been something they owned at one time.

You are so VERY CORRECT ALSO !! thank you for you9r comments

 

[ARC]

Unfortunately...
Many that are newer to the hobby are either not aware of MD etiquette... or just ignored / skipped it.
Others... be it new or not... just don't care... or are the "think they are entitled" lamer crowd with that crapola attitude.
People tolerate only so much before putting the screw to it.
This IMO seems to be a major part / root of what's going on with negativity toward metal detecting in general.

Ignore or neglect ... and it goes away... from your teeth to your place you detect.
Just the law of nature.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

They're probably tired of the pervs who use metal detecting as a way of recording women in bikinis. No one should be detecting when the beach is crowded and definitely no one should be recording while pretending to detect near the bikini clad teenagers.

This guy is the worst one I've seen on YouTube doing that. He always puts the bikini clad women as the thumbnail for the video so you know he's doing it on purpose. Gross...

 

[ARC]

They're probably tired of the pervs who use metal detecting as a way of recording women in bikinis. No one should be detecting when the beach is crowded and definitely no one should be recording while pretending to detect near the bikini clad teenagers.

This guy is the worst one I've seen on YouTube doing that. He always puts the bikini clad women as the thumbnail for the video so you know he's doing it on purpose. Gross...

FBT...
You may have gathered by my posts over the years here on TN....
I have always been an advocate for MD'rs to stay away from people when detecting.

IMO... is it rude and selfish... to "purposely interject detect" around other people.

As far as pretending to be detecting for the purpose said above... that is at the very least creepy.

 

[CreekSide]

Good morning everyone

 

[ARC]

Good morning everyone

Wrong thread Creek
Or at least i think you meant to post in The Random Chat Thread. lol

 

[Paul Revere’s Ghost]

Yesterday there were two “couples” on the beach at 3:30 am teeny boppers. The 4 of them had 3 bottles of tequila. They were screaming, I can’t believe neighbors didn’t call the cops. I have a good relationship with all the cleanup crews at every beach I frequent a let him know it was locals. He always says the slobs don’t care because they don’t live here. Blankets, towels, clothing, bottles. What a mess they left. But surely the detectorists are the easy targets. There’s also a massive sign… No dogs on beach. Yet one morning I counted more loose dogs than people. I posted a few weeks ago about a guy saw me filling a hole and asked if I was burying treasure. I wonder what effect this will have on the commercial clam digging industry? And what is the definition of “beach”? Can it extend below the water line? I think not. And what about construction jobs? This is a double edged sword. It’s up to us to fight back and report all government infractions of their own laws.
YouTubers 🙄. There’s also is one California guy, I left a comment about filling his holes. He got angry and his reply was “I’m a professional treasure hunter and I’ve been doing this a long time.” By his voice I’d bet I have tattoos older than him. Then there’s the guy from NYC. His camera went to the beach where his friend was just showing up. It looked like a war zone. His defense was “It’s winter and there’s nobody on the beach and the tides coming in.” Well no. The video showed at least 3 other people. And that’s no excuse. It seems collectively we will always be frowned upon by people until they lose something.
Yesterday a guy interrupted me. He said he just bought a Minelab yada yada. And he doesn’t hunt in the summer because people interrupt him and gather around asking questions and slow him down. I almost said “like you’re doing to me right now?” But my wife always says I’m too bluntly honest. So I’m working on that. I ended that discussion when he got political. But he told me he’s from my town and where he hunts. I suspect it’s his holes I was filling in Feb and March. And on THAT beach Sunday morning I actually had to extinguish a fire burning under the sand. More drunks. Lit their boxes on fire and buried them burning. Bottles on the sand. Somebody could have stepped on it and been burned. I smelled it for an hour before I saw the smoke wiping up. But guaranteed. We will always be the bad guys.

 

[Paul Revere’s Ghost]

Its multiple things... come on Rob... common sense here.

Open holes are an eyesore at the VERY least to MOST that see one... and a hazard for everything from people to animals.

We have sea turtles (that are already an endangered species) that get stuck and then cook in the sun and die from the inability to climb from a hole back to the water.
Especially the newborn / hatchlings / baby ones are most vulnerable to even some of the basic smaller holes along with other sea life that also can fall victim to being stuck in a human made hole.

One day even you...
may be walking on a beach enjoying the view or looking wherever and the next thing you know you are on the way to hospital with a broken ankle... or at the least a sprained one walking now with a limp.
OR perhaps not you BUT... your kid or grandchild or elderly family member.

-(talk about a good time ender / vacation ruined)- and a bad taste left in anyone's mouth.

Leaving ANY type of hole or trash or any other noticeable alteration by a metal detectorist
IS A SERIOUS ethics breaker / no no in this hobby / craft.

I broke one knee snow skiing and the other one kicking a bag in karate school. For the longest time I cold just twist a leg slightly the wrong way and be on a cane for a month. It’s no joke. Even after filling a hole perfectly there’s a circle around it. Unsightly yes. But it serves as a warning that there’s a soft spot there in the wet sand which won’t firm up for at least one tide cycle. I left my scoop in the ground for this photo to show that I can walk into the middle of a grid where somebody had just detected (ALL the other dig marks) and pop out a ring. Which I did. As a community we can hopefully solve this issue of filling holes.

 

[jewelerguy]

I don't live near a beach, nor do I vacation at a beach. I feel though, that the beaches are for everyone's enjoyment. I think that a lot of people don't like someone detecting at a beach because as someone above in this thread stated "it's the optics of it". I'm sure some people who just lay out in the sun think the guy detecting is just some "creepy old man" or a "nerd". Simply put, they just don't like it because that person is doing something different than everyone else. If the reason of "not filling holes" is chosen as a reason to ban detecting from a beach, then the same should apply to little kids building sand castles and they should ban them

 

[Paul Revere’s Ghost]

I don't live near a beach, nor do I vacation at a beach. I feel though, that the beaches are for everyone's enjoyment. I think that a lot of people don't like someone detecting at a beach because as someone above in this thread stated "it's the optics of it". I'm sure some people who just lay out in the sun think the guy detecting is just some "creepy old man" or a "nerd". Simply put, they just don't like it because that person is doing something different than everyone else. If the reason of "not filling holes" is chosen as a reason to ban detecting from a beach, then the same should apply to little kids building sand castles and they should ban them

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I fill those holes too. But not until the kids are done. 😂. I remember when my daughter was too little to play in the surf. I’d bring a metal shovel and dig a sizable hole for her to play in. Soon all the toddlers gravitated to it and I had to expand its size. Eventually it was a job. I recall one Father’s Day loading all the beach stuff in the car and a woman also leaving the beach said to me, “I’ve been watching you all day, and you’re just the best dad ever.” So I don’t think it’s what the digging tools made of. And no I didn’t fill those little ponds. Because they were still full of kids when we left every time.