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ALL Metal Shovels Are going to be banned from Florida beaches... DUE TO those who don't fill holes.

When I was a kid on summer vacation a lot of us had summer jobs. Paper routs, lawn mowing. Since our house was actually a stones throw from the beach, I found the fastest way to make money was dig clams. Money then was real money. I got paid with a lot of silver coins. I still have pounds of them I never spent. As years passed, it was always a way to make some quick extra cash. Lots of firefighters, public transportation workers and such would hit the beach after their shift if the tide was right and make an extra couple hundred bucks.
This didn’t sit right with many people who bought waterfront homes in affluent towns because they were so quaint, changed their tune when commercial clampers started digging massive tranches in front of their homes. When they’d get aggressive and start making threats we had one thing to say to them. “Call the police!” The town cops would tell them to call environmental who would come down and they knew most of us. But they’d ask to see a commercial license, and then would tell the complainer, they have licenses and you can’t stop them as long as they’re below the high tide line of on a public access.
There was one town where if we harvested at a public beach we had to backfill the holes. I miss those days. Sometimes we’d be leaving the beach with a days pay and watching a single file line of gray suits with briefcases boarding a commuter boat into Boston to sit in a cubicle for 8 hours for the same money we’d already made. Maybe that’s why I love beach hunting. People will always dig holes at the beach.
 
Good job lamers who dont fill holes... and those who just like digging large holes.

No digging at all has been / and is being discussed from sources.

sheesh.

Holmes beach just passed a law banning them already.

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The same bozo's do this when recovering objects in parks. No hinge on their plug, just dig a hole and walk away... what is wrong with people? Probably the same people whose mom cleaned their room and made their bed
 
This is a waker-upper. These ordinances quickly become fads, the latest thing for the local politicos, spread like wildfire through the whole state. No digging is already a standard feature in most counties covering their dirt parks to protect whatever they want protected (though in many not often enforced on metal detectorists) and where these include beaches, if the local rangers see fit to enforce it on the sand beach they do; some are zealous and follow the written word, no thinking necessary. We should use our established groups...both virtual and physical ones... to form lobbying units. That would be the smart thing to do.
 
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This is a waker-upper. These ordinances quickly become fads, the latest thing for the local politicos, spread like wildfire through the whole state. No digging is already a standard feature in most counties covering their dirt parks to protect whatever they want protected (though in many not often enforced on metal detectorists) and where these include beaches, if the local rangers see fit to enforce it on the sand beach they do; some are zealous and follow the written word, no thinking necessary. We should use our established groups...both virtual and physical ones... to form lobbying units. That would be the smart thing to do.
I had the family on a day trip to one of the Boston harbor islands. I was digging what felt like a cannon ball about a foot deep in the sand. There were skirmishes where colonists fired on the British from the shore in Weymouth. Suddenly there were kaki shirts and hiking boots standing beside me. It was Mr Ranger Yogi. The harbor had recently become a national park. So he told me NO DIGGING. I decided not to argue since the food was cooking. So I invited him to lunch with us.
So I asked him why he decided to be a park ranger. He said his plan was to work his way up to environmental police. I told him he was off to a bad start. He asked why? I said “you’re eating bootleg clams.” He smiled. “They’re yummy though.”
 
FYI, It is illegal to metal detect any national park or national seashore..
Now AI says if you “find” a treasure trove on a National Park, you may apply to the GSA for a treasure trove contract in order to recover said treasure. Additionally it says permission needs to be obtained from the NPS. So technically it is possible (if AI isn’t blowing random smoke upwards) to detect National Parks, as long as they use the term “found” as loosely as the moderators of T-Net have in the past. ;) :laughing7:
 

Guidelines for Visiting Archeological Places​

Help the National Park Service to preserve and protect archeological resources for generations to come by following a few simple rules. By following these rules, you'll play an important part in archeological stewardship.

Please don't:

  • Dig into the ground. You might disturb an archeological site. Excavation on national park lands without an archeological permit is illegal.
  • Use your metal detector in national parks, or even bring one with you in the car. Metal detecting and possession of a metal detector are illegal in national parks.
  • Take artifacts with you. Removing archeological artifacts from national parks is illegal. Leave artifacts where you see them on the ground or underwater.

There are some National Recreation Areas and National Forests that allow it, no National Parks or National Seashore allow general public to detect.
 

Guidelines for Visiting Archeological Places​

Help the National Park Service to preserve and protect archeological resources for generations to come by following a few simple rules. By following these rules, you'll play an important part in archeological stewardship.

Please don't:

  • Dig into the ground. You might disturb an archeological site. Excavation on national park lands without an archeological permit is illegal.
  • Use your metal detector in national parks, or even bring one with you in the car. Metal detecting and possession of a metal detector are illegal in national parks.
  • Take artifacts with you. Removing archeological artifacts from national parks is illegal. Leave artifacts where you see them on the ground or underwater.

There are some National Recreation Areas and National Forests that allow it, no National Parks or National Seashore allow general public to detect.
 
Now AI says if you “find” a treasure trove on a National Park, you may apply to the GSA for a treasure trove contract in order to recover said treasure. Additionally it says permission needs to be obtained from the NPS. So technically it is possible (if AI isn’t blowing random smoke upwards) to detect National Parks, as long as they use the term “found” as loosely as the moderators of T-Net have in the past. ;) :laughing7:
Again. Not all designated national parks are managed by the NPS. The law states (under management of the national parks service) So a blanket statement by whoever authored that is inaccurate. Some national parks are partnerships with several entities including state parks, counties, and even private parties. As much as the NPS would like to make all the rules all the time, they don’t. It’s worth investigating each park individually. There are long tedious threads posted elsewhere which would be breaking the rules to share here which substantiate this.
Ultimately I don’t care personally it doesn’t affect me. But I hate to see others taken advantage of by a government famous for operating under false assumptions. Go to the source. You may be surprised.
 
I have been in and camped in almost every National Park from Smokey Mountain N.P. west in my lifetime metal detectors are forbidden in all of them.

Please do not tell or encourage members it is okay to detect National Parks, it's not, it violates the law and violates our rules.

"Federal law prohibits the use of metal detectors in National Park Service lands. Specifically, 36 CFR 2.1 prohibits possessing or using a metal detector, or similar device, within National Park System boundaries"

 
ANY / EVERY / ALL.... National Parks are off limits to ANY form of digging and metal detectors.
OR any form of alteration of ANY kind of anything.... including foliage and rocks etc etc etc.
This includes even picking up a single leaf / removal.

You cannot even posses a detector / bring a detector onto National Park Lands... it is strictly forbidden.
To my knowledge there are NO exceptions to this.
 
Good job lamers who dont fill holes... and those who just like digging large holes.

No digging at all has been / and is being discussed from sources.

sheesh.

Holmes beach just passed a law banning them already.

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I always push the sand back in the beach because I don't want someone walking along and stepping in the hole and falling forward and breaking their leg...
People run around on the beach all the time not paying attention, it can easily happen, but that picture is not a hole from Metal Detecting... its to get out of the sun...
 
I always push the sand back in the beach because I don't want someone walking along and stepping in the hole and falling forward and breaking their leg...
People run around on the beach all the time not paying attention, it can easily happen, but that picture is not a hole from Metal Detecting... its to get out of the sun...
This is ... and always has been... "the way you detect".
 
ANY / EVERY / ALL.... National Parks are off limits to ANY form of digging and metal detectors.
OR any form of alteration of ANY kind of anything.... including foliage and rocks etc etc etc.
This includes even picking up a single leaf / removal.

You cannot even posses a detector / bring a detector onto National Park Lands... it is strictly forbidden.
To my knowledge there are NO exceptions to this.
I have had detector in my car at National Park because I was on extended vacation. I stopped and talked to head Park ranger about it being in my van and was told I could have it in my vehicle as long as it was without any batteries or power, but if I used it it would be confiscated and I would be ticketed and subject to be arrested for it.

I got his name, and gave him mine just in case something happen and it was found in vehicle while in park by another ranger.
 
FYI, It is illegal to metal detect any national park or national seashore

What the heck is a national seashore? Had to Google that one. None in Rhode Island, so I'm safe if I ever detect one of our beaches. Got a sand scoop two years ago, but still haven't used it yet!

Hey, Fire Island is a national seashore! Better stay away from that place, guys!
 
I have had detector in my car at National Park because I was on extended vacation. I stopped and talked to head Park ranger about it being in my van
A great example of simply asking prior to acting outside of the authorized rules.

I don’t believe anyone here is “telling or encouraging members it's ok to detect national parks” but rather providing some useful information as to how the regulation may not apply in all instances.

According to the Federal Code https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-36/section-1.2 , specifically 1.2(5)(b), there may be non-federally owned lands and waters or on Indian tribal trust lands located within National Park System boundaries that are not regulated by Part 1.

1.2 (5)(b) The regulations contained in parts 1 through 5, part 7, part 13, and part 14 of this chapter do not apply on non-federally owned lands and waters or on Indian tribal trust lands located within National Park System boundaries, except as provided in paragraph (a) or in regulations specifically written to be applicable on such lands and waters.

Furthermore, in section 1.6 Permits, 1.6 (a) specifically, the superintendent may issue a permit to authorize an otherwise prohibited or restricted activity. Here, the issuance of such a permit would seemingly be at the discretion of the superintendent.

1.6 (a) When authorized by regulations set forth in this chapter, the superintendent may issue a permit to authorize an otherwise prohibited or restricted activity or impose a public use limit. The activity authorized by a permit shall be consistent with applicable legislation, Federal regulations and administrative policies, and based upon a determination that public health and safety, environmental or scenic values, natural or cultural resources, scientific research, implementation of management responsibilities, proper allocation and use of facilities, or the avoidance of conflict among visitor use activities will not be adversely impacted.

Treasure Hunter’s experience is one example of how the regulations are not always strictly enforced to the letter-of-the-law and by simply inquiring with the enforcement agent you may learn the rules, as written, may be amended to some extent. In any case, it is imperative to read the regulations and seek permission when necessary.
 
All the experiences and observations of others leaving a mess or hazard are just a sign of the times, I guess. People being inconsiderate and taking no personal responsibility for their actions, or themselves, is a product of their upbringing.

Laws have to be enacted to fill in the gaps left by poor parenting, poor educational system, etc. that have failed to instill values in these folks as they were growing up.
 
What the heck is a national seashore? Had to Google that one. None in Rhode Island, so I'm safe if I ever detect one of our beaches. Got a sand scoop two years ago, but still haven't used it yet!

Hey, Fire Island is a national seashore! Better stay away from that place, guys!
Cape Canaveral sits on National Seashore in Florida

There are 10 National Seashores in the United States, managed by the National Park Service. They are:

 

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