ALL Metal Shovels Are going to be banned from Florida beaches... DUE TO those who don't fill holes.

[russau]

I can't remember when But about 20 years ago our Show Me Gold Prospecting Club (GPAA club) was involved in a situation where a massive tornado hit the middle of Kansas (our club is outside of Kansas City on the Missouri side . This massive tornado tore up a LOT of homes BUT some of our members had relations in this retirement home and it was shredded and their belongings where thrown every where. ! When our club members heard that their family's belongings where gone they tried to find out if they could help in recovering them ! the reply was you can't enter unless it's your home ! The police and army reserve was there to prevent any pillaging of the owners belongings ! They were told they had to be cleared and registered to do this ! In which they did in a big fashion . About 40 (?) or so members signed up and got cleared to do this for the Retired residents of that retirement center . They were up there volunteering their time for free to help these older people find their belongings /jewelry/ money ETC. and when it was all said and done and the items were presented to the retired people , a lot of these people were crying tears of joy because they thought it was all gone to be NEVER found! I think it was in the local paper BUT it sure made everyone very proud that they came to help when it looked as though there was NO HELP ! I couldn't go help BUT I was / am proud to know and be a friend and a associate of theirs !

 

[russau]

Carbon fiber, plastic so one just has to not be using "metal".
Play within the rule book.
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MAYBE someone will come out with a carbon fiber shovel !The post above maybe on to something OR would this be pushing the issue

 

[USERNAME IS VALID]

Detecting in sand is illegal? C'mon really? That's just crazy, first wave or high tide covers any hole a scoop makes even if you don't refill the hole and nobody can even see a scoop hole underwater. So all of this history is off limits so nobody gets to enjoy it. Ridiculous, how awful to have an unsightly hole in sand that will be gone in less than a minute. Next it will be footprints in the sand.

 

[mtdoramike]

A great example of simply asking prior to acting outside of the authorized rules.

I don’t believe anyone here is “telling or encouraging members it's ok to detect national parks” but rather providing some useful information as to how the regulation may not apply in all instances.

According to the Federal Code https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-36/section-1.2 , specifically 1.2(5)(b), there may be non-federally owned lands and waters or on Indian tribal trust lands located within National Park System boundaries that are not regulated by Part 1.

1.2 (5)(b) The regulations contained in parts 1 through 5, part 7, part 13, and part 14 of this chapter do not apply on non-federally owned lands and waters or on Indian tribal trust lands located within National Park System boundaries, except as provided in paragraph (a) or in regulations specifically written to be applicable on such lands and waters.

Furthermore, in section 1.6 Permits, 1.6 (a) specifically, the superintendent may issue a permit to authorize an otherwise prohibited or restricted activity. Here, the issuance of such a permit would seemingly be at the discretion of the superintendent.

1.6 (a) When authorized by regulations set forth in this chapter, the superintendent may issue a permit to authorize an otherwise prohibited or restricted activity or impose a public use limit. The activity authorized by a permit shall be consistent with applicable legislation, Federal regulations and administrative policies, and based upon a determination that public health and safety, environmental or scenic values, natural or cultural resources, scientific research, implementation of management responsibilities, proper allocation and use of facilities, or the avoidance of conflict among visitor use activities will not be adversely impacted.

Treasure Hunter’s experience is one example of how the regulations are not always strictly enforced to the letter-of-the-law and by simply inquiring with the enforcement agent you may learn the rules, as written, may be amended to some extent. In any case, it is imperative to read the regulations and seek permission when necessary.

Yeah, I tried this a couple times in State Parks and received a Big NO, claiming that if they gave me and my wife permission, then they would have to allow everyone to do it.

 

[ARC]

Detecting in sand is illegal? C'mon really? That's just crazy, first wave or high tide covers any hole a scoop makes even if you don't refill the hole and nobody can even see a scoop hole underwater. So all of this history is off limits so nobody gets to enjoy it. Ridiculous, how awful to have an unsightly hole in sand that will be gone in less than a minute. Next it will be footprints in the sand.

They are not talking about holes IN water.... or even in tidal wave areas... they are mainly referring to sand areas.
Any hole that someone detecting has dug should be refilled... period.
This is common sense that anyone with half a brain knows... and only complete idiots or those who should not detect at all disregard... and should have their detector broken or confiscated IMO,

 

[USERNAME IS VALID]

They are not talking about holes IN water.... or even in tidal wave areas... they are mainly referring to sand areas.
Any hole that someone detecting has dug should be refilled... period.
This is common sense that anyone with half a brain knows... and only complete idiots or those who should not detect at all disregard... and should have their detector broken or confiscated IMO,

No detecting on National beaches is talking about all aspects. I know the etiquette and I do abide but find it insane that leaving history or someones lost item under sand never to be seen again is idiotic because someone might leave hole in the sand is crazy.

 

[Paul Revere’s Ghost]

I have been in and camped in almost every National Park from Smokey Mountain N.P. west in my lifetime metal detectors are forbidden in all of them.

Please do not tell or encourage members it is okay to detect National Parks, it's not, it violates the law and violates our rules.

"Federal law prohibits the use of metal detectors in National Park Service lands. Specifically, 36 CFR 2.1 prohibits possessing or using a metal detector, or similar device, within National Park System boundaries"

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-36/chapter-I/part-2/section- .

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I have been in and camped in almost every National Park from Smokey Mountain N.P. west in my lifetime metal detectors are forbidden in all of them.

Please do not tell or encourage members it is okay to detect National Parks, it's not, it violates the law and violates our rules.

"Federal law prohibits the use of metal detectors in National Park Service lands. Specifically, 36 CFR 2.1 prohibits possessing or using a metal detector, or similar device, within National Park System boundaries"

Federal Register :: Request Access

www.ecfr.gov

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No I didn’t “tell or encourage members it’s okay to detect National Parks.” I couldn’t have said any clearer, that not all national parks are managed by the National Parks service. Therefore they don’t make the rules. I’m sure west of the Smokey mountains you’ve done your homework. But in the Boston Harbor national park, there are beaches far and wide filled with metal detectors every day. I find it hard to believe the park services people haven’t noticed them, or that Boston harbor is unique. Within the park, towns, cities, the Commonwealth and private land owners share in making the rules. I’m sorry if I confused you but that’s just the facts. I encourage everyone to follow the laws and rules always.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

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No I didn’t “tell or encourage members it’s okay to detect National Parks.” I couldn’t have said any clearer, that not all national parks are managed by the National Parks service. Therefore they don’t make the rules. I’m sure west of the Smokey mountains you’ve done your homework. But in the Boston Harbor national park, there are beaches far and wide filled with metal detectors every day. I find it hard to believe the park services people haven’t noticed them, or that Boston harbor is unique. Within the park, towns, cities, the Commonwealth and private land owners share in making the rules. I’m sorry if I confused you but that’s just the facts. I encourage everyone to follow the laws and rules always. View attachment 2214194

Boston Harbor islands is a one off situation, I dont know what islands are state managed, I know In the Boston Harbor Islands National and State Park, the state manages the beaches on Spectacle Island and Carson Beach and detecting is legal there.

 

[TORRERO]

in my vehicle as long as it was without any batteries or power,

How does this work with the new rechargeable batteries inside the machines ..

 

[Gare]

Cape Canaveral sits on National Seashore in Florida

There are 10 National Seashores in the United States, managed by the National Park Service. They are:

• Assateague Island National Seashore (MD/VA)
• Canaveral National Seashore (FL)
• Cape Cod National Seashore (MA)
• Cape Hatteras National Seashore (NC)
• Cape Lookout National Seashore (NC)
• Cumberland Island National Seashore (GA)
• Fire Island National Seashore (NY)
• Gulf Islands National Seashore (FL/MS)
• Padre Island National Seashore (TX)
• Point Reyes National Seashore (CA)

Great information.
A long time ago I was in Gettysburg and a ranger there told me that I could had detectors in my vehicles ,But they could not have batteries in them also. With today's detector's the batteries are built into the detectors, Has anyone talked to a ranger about this issue ?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

How does this work with the new rechargeable batteries inside the machines ..

I havent been with rechargeable, I would still stop and advise lead park ranger showing I had broken the detector down and removed coil. I have found when you are honest and up front with the rangers they are accommodating. One year I visited 6 National Parks with detector in my van on a vacation, I stopped at each National Park and received okay to have it in my van.

 

[AU Seeker]

I also talked to the ranger when I was visiting a National Forest in North Carolina where you couldn't even have metal detector in your vehicle, I was on vacation and they said it was OK just make sure it stays inside the vehicle, if they saw it out of the vehicle it would be confiscated and a citation issued.

 

[pepperj]

I havent been with rechargeable, I would still stop and advise lead park ranger showing I had broken the detector down and removed coil. I have found when you are honest and up front with the rangers they are accommodating. One year I visited 6 National Parks with detector in my van on a vacation, I stopped at each National Park and received okay to have it in my van.

To get to one of my sites I have to cross Parks Canada lands.
There's no detecting in the Park Lands, water control.
I collapse the Deus put the headphones over the stem, and carry on.
Haven't been questioned, and from asking the Game Warden if this was OK, I got a no problem answer.
Our Federal parks are a no removal of anything, disturbing anything policy.

Conservation lands one can detect, Provincial Parks have various rules. Land can be a no, beach and water a yes.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Park rangers aren't above the law. You have every right to keep a metal detector in the trunk of your car while on vacation. They cannot search your car without probable cause, just like the police. Never consent to a search of your vehicle and don't let any type of LEO try to bully or harass you.

 

[Limitool]

Park rangers aren't above the law. You have every right to keep a metal detector in the trunk of your car while on vacation. They cannot search your car without probable cause, just like the police. Never consent to a search of your vehicle and don't let any type of LEO try to bully or harass you.

I went through that about 3 years ago. Handcuffed for "failing to ID" and then demanding my keys to unlock my vehicle. NEITHER HAPPENED...! No ID and no vehicle search. The Sergent was absolutely livid...!!!! I was just standing outside of my girlfriends garage (hadn't driven all day).

 

[ToddsPoint]

I also talked to the ranger when I was visiting a National Forest in North Carolina where you couldn't even have metal detector in your vehicle, I was on vacation and they said it was OK just make sure it stays inside the vehicle, if they saw it out of the vehicle it would be confiscated and a citation issued.

It’s legal to detect in National Forests. All of them. If you read the rules, the first thing it says is the rules are exactly the same for every National Forest. You can detect for coins but not on known archaeological sites. If you discover a site you are supposed to report it.

 

[AU Seeker]

It’s legal to detect in National Forests. All of them. If you read the rules, the first thing it says is the rules are exactly the same for every National Forest. You can detect for coins but not on known archaeological sites. If you discover a site you are supposed to report it.

I misspoke when saying it was a National Forest, it's is a National Park, it is Uwharrie National Park in North Carolina.
I went through the same process with the same results in the Smoky Mountain National Park during that same vacation.

 

[newnan man]

Living 3 blocks from the beach for the last 30 years I have seen some real bone head stuff when it comes to beach etiquette. Holes are bad when dug deep. My stepson has found baby turtles trying to crawl out of them a couple of times when he was going to surf. Years ago I confronted a group of tourists who were digging a hole to bury their beer cans and assorted trash.
I've seen 20 or more beer bottles stuck upside down in a circle and cigarette butts & trash in the middle. People smoking just flick their butt away when finished. Less people actually smoke now than years ago but it's still a common trash on the beach. There are trash cans at every crossover but people still leave water bottles & fast food wrappers laying on the sand. This no holes/digging law was made for idiots of which there is a never ending supply here in Florida.

 

[robertk]

This no holes/digging law was made for idiots of which there is a never ending supply here in Florida.

Oh it’s isn’t just Florida. There are plenty of idiots in every state.