Amish craftsmanship my butt!!!

[mrs.oroblanco]

Who doesn't pay taxes?

Everyone pays taxes.


Beth

 

[diggummup]

MikeofAustin,

Collecting sales tax is a simple matter of "that will be $1,000 plus tax". (of course, you also have to file quarterly if you are required
to collect sales tax).

Beth

Yep. in this case, the Amish was under quoting him by .25 percent. So he might be able to actually get a job if............ BUT, my thoughts are, that there was an inside secrete going on.... .25 percent sound very fishy to me.

Actually it was 6.5 percent , which is at least $6,500The Amish bid was just about 6 1/2 % less than mine...hummm. . However maybe the owner/s just wanted it done by the Amish because of who they are and the reputation they have. If this was a "private" owner job then they can choose whomever they want to do the job. However if it was a public project/contract job then it's a different story and it HAS to go to the lowest bidder. So what kind of project was it?

BTW- $100k is not really a large job, unless it was just for a certain (sub) part of a project (ie- electrical, plumbing etc.)

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Actually, he said is was required to pay 7%.

And, if you are in business, you should be aware of things like not having to pay sales tax on raw materials.

Beth

 

[Dave44]

You are right Beth, but there are varying degrees of paying taxes, right? Everyone pays a little bit because it is attached to so many things, but then some are given money from the government which offsets the amounts they pay. I was thinking of individuals, but GE will do. A flat tax would stop all that and no one would have to keep up with this # or that# and loopholes and cronyism.

 

[diggummup]

Actually, he said is was required to pay 7%.

And, if you are in business, you should be aware of things like not having to pay sales tax on raw materials.

Beth

You'll get no argument from me. I am self employed and you are correct, that's what my tax id
number (re-sale certificate) is for.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Beth

 

[mikeofaustin]

I do have a stipulation. It should be the law of the land that if you do not pay taxes, AND/OR if you are not a productive part of society, you have NO vote in elections.
You are not in the game if you do not have the same burdens. I say FLAT TAX. Oh man the new roles of the unemployed cpas, irs agents, who said that change is easy?
Oh yea flat tax, no exeptions. But really want to be fair? NO tax on any company, Really. Why should companies be the man that takes the money from individuals and gives it to the government, because that is how it works now. The government expects the majority of the nation not to know they are being taxed that way.

As an addition, if you lobby the government to make your taxes minimal, despite the fact that you just made 8 billion, I think that might be a direct conflict of interest with the constitution of the US.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Dave44,

Yea - let's just "chuck" the constitution.

Beth

 

[mikeofaustin]

Who doesn't pay taxes?

Everyone pays taxes.


Beth

Wrong. Only poor/middle class people pay taxes. But, if you are based out of and off shore corporation (a PO box overseas), you do not have to pay taxes. Because, every bit of money you made here, is not taxable. SO, let's (our own government) go after the very people that are really trusting in this whole 'america' bit. Let's put homeowners in jails for not paying a hundred dollars, and call it "Making an example"... and in the mean time, lets let all these corps get away with murder, and call them, "the American way" and we will, our own tax payer money, give them billions in rewards for making this land a complete failure. Give them millions in rewards for turning this country into a desperate situation. .....And the government will put them under their wing and harbor them.

There are banks overseas and they use it. It's a big loophole. That's why corps are able to establish a central corporation mailing address overseas, and make money here, and not pay taxes. So no, actually about 2/3rds of corporations do not pay taxes to America. They are considered an 'offshore' corp' despite the fact that they make 95% of their money in the states. And, you know who benefits from this? The very people on capital hill. They are screwing everyone of us.... the little people. They have no obligation to change these loop holes because they love these 'campaign finance contributions' (Bribes).

Yes,... I'm jaded... but for a good reason. If you want to learn more, or gather something to counter my argument, read up on 'Plutocracy'. But, I'm guessing after you read about "Plutocracy", you'll be just as angry as I am. I truly believe that to bring back our own country, for the people, it will need to take a very few very strong individuals on capital hill.... (unlikely), or, a civil war. If it did come to a civil war, I will be on the front lines. I truly believe the very individuals that founded this country would want me to fight against the very people that turned this country into what it is. In other words, they are turning over in their graves because of what this government turned out to be. Our fore fathers fought against the very thing this government has turned out to be.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

MikeofAustin,

You aren't "jaded", you are wrong.

Of course - you may want to change your declaration, if you want to be correct - and say "income taxes".

If you buy clothes, food, gas, heating oil or propane, tires, cars, appliances, or most anything from a store, you are paying taxes.

If you own a home, you are paying taxes.

In some states, if you work - you are paying taxes - Pa like to call it a "right to work" tax. Mass charges "old age taxes" in restaurants. On top
of that, you pay other state and local taxes.

See, that's one of the issues with "government". Your state gets money from the federal government, (which they have gotten from you), and
they use that for education or whatever - and when the federal government doesn't give them as much, they just raise your local and state taxes.
There are state sales taxes, county sales taxes, township sales taxes, town sales taxes, ad nauseum.

If you are talking about certain "income" taxes - you are correct. Most corporations pay less taxes than you or I ever will.

Beth

In addition, they take your taxes to give them (the corporations) tax breaks.

 

[mikeofaustin]

Beth, I love you, and I think that you are a very big part of t-net. And I would very much appreciate it if you can do just one thing for me. Look up the word Plutocracy. The reason I say this, is because there is a lot of people that just doesn't' know what is truly going on, and you, if you could read about this topic, you would be a very powerful person to bring this message to the masses. It might be a the most important thing that you've ever done. But, I personally would like you believe in this personally too.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Beth, I love you

That's the first words someone says just before they try to hide an insult.

I don't have to "look up" Plutocracy - I know what the word means - government by the wealthy.

We can discuss that - the very first thing to discuss about it, though, imo, is the fact that we have no choice.

In a country where it costs MORE to be elected, than the job will ever pay - we are already in a mess.

Government starts (it shouldn't, but it does) with our elected officials - and that above fact is the start - and the end - of a "free" society. (that's just a play on words, to make the point)

When it costs more to get elected than the job will pay - someone owes someone - big time.

Beth

 

[Dave44]

Dave44,

Yea - let's just "chuck" the constitution.

Beth

Terribly unfocused idea. Nice smarmy retort tho. I do not think I warranted that as I love the Constitution, It is the best document ever written for governance, not quite pointed enough since officials try to reinterpret it all the time into a" socialist save the world despite themselves" document.
We are as far from the intentions of the Constitution as we have ever been, why would you say chuck it?

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Dave44,

I was not trying to be "smarmy" - however, I often get annoyed at folks who's "solution" to issues, is to ignore parts of the constitution, and then
tell me that they LOVE it.

It tells me, like some politicians, that they just "love" the parts that benefit their own ideals.

In case you forget what prompted that response:

It should be the law of the land that if you do not pay taxes, AND/OR if you are not a productive part of society, you have NO vote in elections


I interpret that to mean that, if you are not like what YOU think a person should be, their right to vote should be suspended - or completely taken away. Should I have taken that any other way?

Beth

 

[Dave44]

Well Mrs. gold, That used to be the law of the land, look it up. It had flaws but if you did not own property you did not have taxable skin in the game did you? Who was it that said, " A republic only lasts until the public finds that it can vote itself money"? I know it is not an exact quote, and I am too lazy to look it up. Contemplate the Issue please.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Dave44,

Slavery was the law the of land, too - so - how should we integrate that in today's society?

Picking and choosing your "rights" under the constitution is not a choice - it is what it is, and it has not been the "law of the land" since the constitution was ratified - even if some folks want to take your rights away for whatever reason they can dream up. The "Kingdom of Great
Britain" is the country that had that "law of the land" you are referring to - have you ever heard of the Magna Carta - that pretty much took care of that "law of the land".

Of course, your quote is incorrect, as I believe the quote you are looking for is:

A democracy cannot survive once the people realize that they can vote themselves benefits

A quote from Aristotle - (though it has also been attributed to others) who, by the way, also said: All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind.
AND "In a democracy the poor will have more power than the rich, because there are more of them, and the will of the majority is supreme."

Tell me, now - what other "issues" should I be comtemplating

Beth

 

[Dave44]

You astonish me!!! Slavery was abolished slowly over time by the constitution, Frederick Douglas figured it out and stood for the constitution himself. I told you I didn't have the correct quote but you dismiss the effort.
As much as I thought you were a kindred soul I am disgusted at your lack of appreciation at freedoms logic.
Furthermore The will of the majority is not the best you could hope for ,,, if that is your Democratic bent.
If a female was in a cell with 2 rapists, what kind of democracy would win for the female? The vote taken, majority ruled, well that is not always good.
Have you been abducted by some evil entity and replaced? I do not even recognize you anymore? Then again guess I never did know you.
I should tell you, I am self employed myself. I do not recieve any grants, subsidies or tax breaks, nor do I want them, I pay mine. My buisiness pays by collecting from those that do not know any better and those that do. I am sorry you have decided that I may be an easy target but you are mistaken, I am not that kind of buisiness, even though my typing sux, because I never had that class.

 

[Dave44]

"Paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind"? Are you sure Nancy pelosi didn't say that when she said that not having to pay for necessities like health care would free you up to be an artist? I think I see your mind Beth.

 

[olroy70]

Mrs Oro

It seems to me, that paying taxes is theft. Look at the amount of taxes businesses pay and you will find MOST of them are paying far more than individuals. Anyone that preforms a service is paying far more than most. Along with all the rules that allow them to be held liable for almost everything.

We are looking at a country that just voted themselves a raise. (That would be the takers!) So, now, the people who work are expected to pay even more. And, get less!

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Dave44,

I didn't mean to dismiss your effort. (on the quote). Just trying to make the point that Aristotle had lots of quotes. (and no, it was not Nancy Pelosi who said the one quote )

Businesses paying taxes are one thing - especially if they are smaller businesses. But big corporations don't pay any. To me, THAT is the crime.

Did you happen to catch the information about "the law of the land" Not OUR land. Geesh.
Isn't it hypocrisy if you can dismiss someone's voting rights and then turn around and say I have no appreciation for freedom?

And, now, you equate crime with democracy?

Ah, "Democratic bent" - if that means I am a Democrat - no - but not a republican either.

I am currently a "no party" registered. I believe in the constitution - even the parts that don't fit into my personal likes and dislikes. For instance,
we do unconstitutional things all the time - like - we take away 2nd amendment rights and voting rights for criminals - which is unconstitutional.
Personally, I don't like to see murderers having weapons, but the constitution is very clear - only high treason is a reason for taking away
any constitutional rights. Unfortunately, the way we do it, it has led to losing constitutional rights if someone ACCUSES you of something - all because of politicians (and voters) wanting to control what every one does. If you don't think so, just let someone put a PFA on you - they don't have to prove a thing, and, you get to turn in your weapons. Eventually, you get a court date, but, in the meantime, you cannot have a gun in your house - in fact, if you are living with someone who has a gun, you have to leave, or the person that owns the guns who have NO charges against them has to take them out of the house. That's just one of the little "things" that folks - like you - have done - everything that certain folks don't like, should lead to someone having their rights taken away?

Let's stretch this out - does that mean if I'm a senior citizen (which I am), and I no longer "contribute to society" - I guess I should stop voting?


Olroy,

I agree, the tax system sucks. But, do you have any idea what happens when the Feds lower the taxes? Your local area raises everything else.
We do NOT need a tax cut - we need to pay our friggin bills, and get ALL the corporations to pay their fair share. Period, end of story.
Of course, I do realize it is not that simple - but it would be a start. But, it won't happen because the big Corporations are the ones who spend the money to get the politicians elected. We may vote, but the corporations control the purse strings. If you need any proof of that, you will see any third party candidate who cannot even be part of a debate - these public debates are "sponsored" by big money.

Beth