Any Idea What These Are?

[pamlicopanther]

I found both of these wading in the water with my Excal. In this same area I have found numerous mini balls and a few other civil war items. I have no idea what these are though. They are a little different, but similar. I'm not sure if they are civil war related or something completely different.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

 

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[IronSpike]

lipstick tubes.

 

[timekiller]

lipstick tubes.

I'd agree.Or sure looks like them to me.

Pamlicopanther,
Are you anywhere near pamlico county? I grew up there.
Take Care,
Pete,

 

[ivan salis]

lip stick tubes from "camp followers' --solders would also use screw type old tubes like that to hold "matches" as match holders to keep em dry

 

[pamlicopanther]

Thanks everyone. Lipstick tubes I would have never thought about that. So they could be from "camp followers"? Very interesting.


Ironspike - I am actually one county over in Beaufort county. I grew up and still live along the Pamlico River.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Im researching the wrong pics lol. The lipsticks posted by Timekiller are 1930-40's era.

Can we see the bottoms for a more precise ID? Any markings?

 

[ivan salis]

bright red lipstick --has been used by hookers from the time of old rome and greece to "highlight" one of their special talents -- I can not go any farther on that subject and still be "polite"

-also I would think that in a pinch that lipstick could be used as a form of "chapstick" for chapped lips --soldiers were exposed to the sun , heat & wind outdoors alot --I would think their lips would get dry and chapped from that exposure , funny to think of it --but in a pinch you do what you got to--- the empty lipstick in any case would make a soldier a dandy "free" waterproof match stick holder .

dry matches were vital to soldiers in the civil war * to light camp fires to stay warm in cold weather & cook food and make coffee , and to light their pipes or cigars with .

fighting JOE HOOKER - civil war union general was so well known for his allowing "camp followers" to tag along with his troops that they became known as HOOKERS ARMY -- LATER SHORTED TO JUST "HOOKERS"

 

[ivan salis]

the non text book stuff is often much more "interesting" than the often boring "offical" textbook knowledge or at least I have often found it to be.

 

[IronSpike]

The CW origin of the term hooker appear to be a myth:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hoo4.htm

 

[S IL THer]

just some info from WIKI:
There is a popular legend that "hooker" as a slang term for a prostitute is derived from his last name[19] because of parties and a lack of military discipline at his headquarters. Some versions of the legend claim that the band of prostitutes that followed his division were derisively referred to as "General Hooker's Army" or "Hooker's Brigade."[20] However, the term "hooker" was used in print as early as 1845, years before Hooker was a public figure,[21] and is likely derived from the concentration of prostitutes around the shipyards and ferry terminal of the Corlear's Hook area of Manhattan in the early to middle 19th century, who came to be referred to as "hookers".[22] The prevalence of the Hooker legend may have been at least partly responsible for the popularity of the term.[23]

 

[Monty]

I am pretty sure both of those lipstick tubes are contemporary rather than CW era. My Mom use to buy Revlon products at the local dry goods store back in the late 1950s and early sixties. I remember her talking about some "Evening In Paris" cologne. I may be wrong but I think Revlon products premiered as over the counter products in the 1940s? Monty

 

[ivan salis]

the word ---hooker while not "invented" for use solely because of "fighting joe hooker"s allowing "camp followers" to tag along with his army --(it was used earlier true) ---did become much more commonly used as a term due to the press it got and its linkage with the stories. --- thus its common use.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

pamlicopanther,

I think you need to post a pic of the bottoms to determine if they are CW era IMO, but...







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[pamlicopanther]

pamlicopanther,

I think you need to post a pic of the bottoms to determine if they are CW era IMO, but...







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There isn't anything on the bottoms so I didn't post a picture of them.

Sorry - I found myself questioning if it was lipstick tubes, so I was waiting to see if any other suggestions were presented. I will go ahead and click it as solved.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

You dont have to post the check until you are ready. 8) I was just giving a freindly reminder in case you didnt know.






I said this 3x now so I wont say it again but I think its going too far for our members to assume these are CW era lipsticks, without knowing whats on the bottoms.

 

[dscott67]

revlon did'nt have lipstick until 1942 ~~

 

[dscott67]

revlon did'nt have lipstick until 1942 ~~

the other has been around since 1863,don't know when there lipstick came around !!

 

[ivan salis]

the first pic -- what if anything is on the case bottom please ? we know the the others post by another person are later era items * they are later era lip stick tubes due to the name brand on them --lip stick has been around a long long time * knowing what if any marking it has would be a great assist to figger its time range

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

revlon did'nt have lipstick until 1942 ~~

the other has been around since 1863,don't know when there lipstick came around !!

We have no idea if these lipsticks are Revlon or CW era because the poster hasnt yet told us about any markings or posted a bottom pic. I researched the lipsticks (Revlon and Evening In Paris) posted by timekiller and there is no doubt they are 20th century. Im just clarifying that we cannot say these are CW era just because mini balls and other CW items were found in the area..



Do you understand what Im saying pamlicopanther?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

the first pic -- what if anything is on the case bottom please ? we know the the others post by another person are later era items * they are later era lip stick tubes due to the name brand on them --lip stick has been around a long long time * knowing what if any marking it has would be a great assist to figger its time range

thank you Ivan