Anyone up for finding a lost city or settlement?

[Crow]

Hello All

Kind of quiet here lately.

For a bit of fun for those hungry enough for fortune and glory finding lost cities. there is still a few to discover It's not as weird as you'd think. There are a number of other important cities that have not been definitively located and excavated,

Turkey:

Several cities are still to be discovered such as Ekallatum in Turkey. (one of the capitals of the kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia), but it not the only one either. Waššukanni (capital of the kingdom of Mitanni), Tarḫuntašša (briefly capital of the Hittite empire), and Kummani (the capital of the kingdom of Kizzuwatna) to say nothing of the literally hundreds of other cities that show up in texts but have not been mapped to locations.

Egypt:

One of Egypt's lost cities is that of Itjtawy (full Egyptian name Amenemhat-itj-tawy — translating to "Amenemhat, Seizer of the Two Lands". It was a royal city that was founded by Pharaoh Amenemhat I who ruled between around 1991 BC and 1962 BC but has remained lost for thousands of years. Built: In The 1900s BC Capital: It Was Egypt's Capital For Over 400 Years Period: Middle Kingdom

It is believed that the city is somewhere in the Faiyum region of Egypt and that its cemeteries were located at Lisht, el-Lahun, and Dahshur. It is thought that Pharaoh Amenemhat I moved the capital there to be better placed to thwart Asiatic incursions into Egypt. It is believed that the massive site was close to where the pyramids of the two kings.

Another of Egypt's known-to-be-lost cities is the lost city of Thinis. It was also the capital of Egypt during the first dynasties of ancient Egypt.

There is little doubt that it existed as it is well attested by ancient writers, including the classical historian Manetho. It is believed that the city went into decline from Dynasty III when the capital was relocated to Memphis (not in Tennessee).Earliest Evidence: 4,000 BC Probable Location: Near Modern Girga Mentioned: In the Book Of The Dead Capital: Thinis Was The Capital of Egypt

By the Roman period thousands of years later it had lost its position as a regional administrative. Thinis persisted for many years as a significant religious center and housed the tomb and mummy of the regional deity. Thinis also played a role as a mythical place in Egypt's famous Book of the Dead. While it remains undiscovered, it is thought to have been located vicinity of ancient Abydos and modern Girga.

Peru and Bolivia, Brazil:

Paititi - it’s allegedly described on petroglyphs in Peru but has never been identified. many have searched for it. documents in Vatican mention it? One of the great unsolved mysteries of south America. Paititi is a legendary lost city, also known as a utopia or rich land, believed to be hidden within the remote Amazon rainforests of South America, specifically east of the Andes. It's a focal point of legend and exploration, with various accounts suggesting its location in Peru, Bolivia, or Brazil. The search for Paititi has captivated explorers for centuries, with some believing it to be a real city abandoned by the Incas, while others see it as a myth.

Spain:

Tartessos in southern Spain, Tartessos was a Bronze Age civilization that flourished in southern Spain, specifically in the Iberian Peninsula, around 3,000 years ago. They were known for their wealth and advanced technology, but the civilization mysteriously vanished around 2,500 years ago. The exact location of Tartessos is debated, but it's generally believed to have been near the Guadalquivir River, possibly in the area of modern-day Andalusia

Usa:

On a lessor scale than a city but still important lost towns in the world is not fully explored as we think these days. In Phillips County, Arkansas, the two earliest American settlements, Utica and Shirley, have completely unknown locations. Both were started in the 1810's on the White River, but we have no idea where they were located, even an approximate location is not known. Utica was platted with a street grid by the same guy who platted the county seat in 1820, it also had a post office and multiple bars and churches, and all of it has been lost to time except for a few marriage certificates and liquor licenses.

Cahokia – Located near present-day St. Louis, Missouri. At its height Cahokia is believed to have had a population of between 40,000 and 80,000 people, making it amongst the largest Pre-Columbian cities of the Americas.

Wales:
Cantre'r Gwaelod was a mythical city situated on a piece of land between Ynys Dewi (Ramsey Island) and Ynys Enlli (Bardsey Island). This area of land is now underwater and is known as Cardigan Bay. The history of Cantre'r Gwaelod is illustrated in a poem in the Black Book of Carmarthen.

England:
Dunwich
Hailed by some as Suffolk's answer to Atlantis, Dunwich was once a thriving medieval port and on a par with London as the capital of the kingdom of East Anglia- with over 3000 residents recorded in 1086.

Scotland:
lost city of Evonium lost for centures. Description: Evonium was described as a coronation site and capital of forty kings.
Location: Initially, it was thought to be in the Lochaber area, but later suggestions placed it at Irvine, Ayrshire, historically known as Erewyn.
Historical Context: The idea of Evonium was first presented by Hector Boece in his Scotorum Historiae. Is there a potential lost city to discover?

Then there is the ancient city of Guidi, as referenced by the Venerable Bede in his 8th-century writings, remains one of Scotland’s most intriguing historical mysteries. Despite its mention in early texts, the precise location and significance of Guidi have been the subject of scholarly debate for centuries. Modern researchers, piecing together linguistic clues, archaeological finds, and historical records, have yet to definitively answer the many questions surrounding this lost city. there is not much known about Guidi, its potential location, and why it continues to captivate historians and archaeologists.
Bede’s Mention of Guidi

The earliest reference to Guidi appears in Bede’s Ecclesiastical History of the English People (Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum), completed in the early 8th century. Bede was a monk and historian whose works are considered some of the most valuable primary sources for early British history. He mentions Guidi briefly, referring to it as a city located near the northern boundary of the Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria, which stretched into what is now modern-day Scotland. This reference has fueled the quest for its discovery, as it suggests that Guidi was of considerable importance during the early medieval period.

Germany Poland:

Jomsborg: A legendary city on the south coast of the Baltic Sea, said to have been submerged in the Middle Ages, Jomsborg is a fascinating example of a lost city from legend. Jomsborg is a semi-legendary Viking stronghold, said to have been located on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea in the medieval Wendland (modern Pomerania), according to Wikipedia and Vikings of Valhalla US. Its inhabitants were known as Jomsvikings, and the fortress is mentioned in Icelandic sagas from the 12th and 13th centuries. While the exact location of Jomsborg is debated, many believe it was situated near the Oder estuary.

Pakistan:

Naga Puram suspected to be located in Pakistan's Sindh province, a city of the Indus Valley civilization. The city was on the banks of the Ghaghara River. However it had not conclusively have been found.

India:

Muciṟi commonly anglicized as Muziris (Ancient Greek: Μουζιρίς, Old Malayalam: Muciṟi or Muciṟipaṭṭaṇam , possibly identical with the medieval Muyiṟikkōṭŭ was an ancient harbour and urban centre on India's Malabar Coast. It was the major ancient port city of the Chera dynasty.

The exact location of the ancient city has been a matter of dispute among historians and archaeologists. Earlier it was believed to be in the region around Mangalore in the state of Karnataka; then later in Kodungallur in the state of Kerala. However, excavations since 2004 at Pattanam, also in Kerala, have led some experts to favour that location.

Austria:
Noreia is an ancient lost city in the Eastern Alps, most likely in southern Austria. While according to Julius Caesar it is known to have been the capital of the Celtic kingdom of Noricum, it was already referred to as a lost city by Pliny the Elder (AD 23 – AD 79). The location of Noreia has not been verified by modern researchers.


Crow

 

[robertk]

Cahokia – Located near present-day St. Louis, Missouri.

Is Cahokia considered lost? There's a big park up there, Cahokia Mounds, that still has several of the large mounds and courtyards, and information about how it used to be much larger and how previous landowners destroyed many of the smaller mounds. It is also interesting that it spanned the Mississippi River, with mounds and settlements on both sides.

 

[Mackaydon]

Crow, good stuff.
Here's more to support Irvine as Evonium, Scotland.

Stone of Destiny ‘from Ayrshire, not Perthshire’

IT IS said to be the ancient royal seat of Scotland, a place where kings were crowned and the Stone of Destiny was kept. And now, new evidence has emerged that the lost Scottish city of Evonium, rumoured for centuries to be the Argyll village of Dunstaffnage, may actually have been the less...

www.scotsman.com

Don in SoCal

 

[sdcfia]

Yeah, cross Cahokia off the list. Pretty hard for that one to be lost as there's too much that's been found and lots more waiting. I was even there myself in 1969.
https://cahokiamounds.org/

 

[Crow]

Yeah, cross Cahokia off the list. Pretty hard for that one to be lost as there's too much that's been found and lots more waiting. I was even there myself in 1969.
https://cahokiamounds.org/

Yes it seems Cahoka is off the list. I have no doubt many settlement across America has been lost to history.

Another I found waiting to be rediscovered is The Ajacán Mission- was a Spanish attempt in 1570 to establish a Jesuit mission in the vicinity of the Virginia Peninsula to bring Christianity to the Virginia Native Americans. The effort to found St. Mary's Mission predated the founding of the English settlement at Jamestown, Virginia, by about 36 years.

In February 1571, the entire party was massacred by Indians, except for Alonso de Olmos. The following year, a Spanish party from Florida went to the area, rescued Alonso, and killed several Indians. Historians have tried to determine the Ajacán Mission site, but no archeological evidence has been found to reach a firm conclusion.

Ajacan mission

Crow

 

[mdog]

Yes it seems Cahoka is off the list. I have no doubt many settlement across America has been lost to history.

Another I found waiting to be rediscovered is The Ajacán Mission- was a Spanish attempt in 1570 to establish a Jesuit mission in the vicinity of the Virginia Peninsula to bring Christianity to the Virginia Native Americans. The effort to found St. Mary's Mission predated the founding of the English settlement at Jamestown, Virginia, by about 36 years.

In February 1571, the entire party was massacred by Indians, except for Alonso de Olmos. The following year, a Spanish party from Florida went to the area, rescued Alonso, and killed several Indians. Historians have tried to determine the Ajacán Mission site, but no archeological evidence has been found to reach a firm conclusion.

Crow

I've been searching for evidence of a mission in Muscatine, Iowa. One of the early settlers recalled the ruins of a French and Indian town built by missionaries. Muscatine was settled during the 1830s, so the mission town would have been built before then.

 

[kitab_geeks]

If you look at the Kitab al-Kanuz: the Book of Hidden Pearls, you will find directions to lots of sites in Egypt - like Zerzura and others. The book is perhaps the most famous of medieval treasure hunting manuals. It gives directions to 417 treasures sites. It used to be available only in Arabic and French, but is now available in English. if you look it up in Wikipedia, it still says it is a "lost manuscript". It is just recently available in English on Amazon (deleted for rule violation). I have been having a lot of fun tracking some of its sites on GoogleEarth. Some seem to correspond to well-known sites, but some seem to be very off the beaten path - you can see there are remains of foundations, but no roads or tracks...

 

[Crow]

Here is some more that might be worth looking into?



Ochuse (Pensacola), 1559

Forty-eight years before the English founded Jamestown, conquistador Tristán de Luna y Arrellano established a Spanish settlement in Pensacola in 1559. Sailing North from Veracruz, Mexico, he arrived in what is now Florida with 1,500 soldiers, colonists, enslaved peoples and Aztecs. Upon arrival, a hurricane sank their ships, causing a great loss of life and provisions. With food scarce, 1,500 people opted to march inland, leaving behind 50 soldiers and some enslaved Africans. From 1560 to 1561, the remaining occupants rose up in mutiny and by 1561, the site was abandoned.

Ochuse

San Miguel de Gualdape, 1526

San Miguel de Gualdape is a colony of many firsts. It was the first known European settlement in the continental United States, the first to bring enslaved Africans to the continent—and the location of the first slave revolt in North America. In 1526, Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón landed in present-day South Carolina or Georgia with 500 colonists and 100 enslaved Africans. Their settlement lasted mere months. The ship holding most of the colonists’ food stores sank, and they had arrived too late to plant crops. Then, an unknown illness struck down 350 of the 500 settlers and an unrecorded number of their captives. A group of enslaved persons took matters into their own hands, burning down an owner’s house, killing him and escaping into the forest. The remaining Spanish settlers abandoned the colony and sailed for home. Archaeological attempts to locate the site of the colony have been unsuccessful.

Saint Croix Island, 1604

Founded by Pierre Dugua de Mons and cartographer Samuel Champlain in 1604, Saint Croix was one of the first French attempts to colonize North America. An icy winter isolated the island settlement, located near the modern-day border between Canada and the United States, leading to food shortages and scurvy—and prompting Champlain to proclaim “there are six months of winter in that country.” Thirty-five of 79 settlers died during the winter of 1604-1605. In August, de Mons gave the order to move the settlement to the more favorable location of Port Royal, though it, too, was abandoned in 1607.

The site is well known historic site but all the original buildings are long lost.


Popham Colony, 1606

Like Jamestown, Popham colony was founded by the Virginia Company in 1606. Located at the mouth of the present-day Kennebec River in Maine, Popham was intended as a trading settlement. The 120 colonists built defensive walls, homes, a church and the first-ever British ship to be constructed in North America, “The Virginia.” Their success was short-lived. In 1607, food shortages sent half of its 120 original inhabitants home to England.

When the expedition’s leader, nobleman George Popham, died of unknown causes in 1608, his second-in-command, Raleigh Gilbert—nephew of Sir Walter Raleigh—took power. The nail in the coffin for the colony came in September of that year with the news that Gilbert had inherited his family’s estate back in England. He and the remaining 45 inhabitants of Popham set off for home, abandoning England’s first New England settlement. the site is known has not fully excavated. some of the site below sits on private land

Still fun to research into them.

Crow

 

[Crow]

Here is another lost city.

The lost city of Rungholt Germany

The city of Rungholt in northern Germany has been termed by many historians as the “Northern Atlantis” of ancient Europe. Once thought to be a myth, we now know it was real—even if we don’t know much else. Although its exact whereabouts remain uncertain, this bustling trading hub succumbed to the depths of the Wadden Sea in the latter half of the 14th century AD. Severe storms during this period caused the conversion of fertile marshes into tidal flats. That led to the demise of the entire medieval Uthland region, which housed Rungholt and other smaller towns.

In January 1362, a devastating tempest known as the 2nd of St. Marcellus’ floods unleashed its fury. It destroyed over 30 settlements and claimed the lives of approximately 10,000 people in and around Rungholt. Across the North Sea coast, Britain, and Ireland, the storm’s wrath reached a staggering toll of about 25,000 lives.

Moreover, it dramatically reshaped the coastline. It pushed the sands miles away from their former position. That, in turn, permanently changed agriculture and commerce in the area. Within the region, Rungholt had reigned as the largest settlement and a vital trade hub connecting Scandinavia, Northern Germany, Flanders, and England. But the weather proved too much for it to sustain itself in the decades after.

Historical estimates suggest that, at the time of the storm’s onslaught, Rungholt was home to around 2,000 people. That was equivalent to one-third of Hamburg’s population at that time. But just a few years after the storm surge, those who hadn’t been killed had long since left. The natural alterations to the area proved too much to push the city into a new era

Here is map of before and after

Crow

 

[Crow]

If you look at the Kitab al-Kanuz: the Book of Hidden Pearls, you will find directions to lots of sites in Egypt - like Zerzura and others. The book is perhaps the most famous of medieval treasure hunting manuals. It gives directions to 417 treasures sites. It used to be available only in Arabic and French, but is now available in English. if you look it up in Wikipedia, it still says it is a "lost manuscript". It is just recently available in English on Amazon (deleted for rule violation). I have been having a lot of fun tracking some of its sites on GoogleEarth. Some seem to correspond to well-known sites, but some seem to be very off the beaten path - you can see there are remains of foundations, but no roads or tracks...

Hello Kitab geeks thanks for info.

I am still researching into Zerzura is a legendary lost city, often depicted as a hidden oasis in the Sahara Desert, specifically between Egypt and Libya. It's been the subject of numerous tales and expeditions, though its actual existence remains unconfirmed.

Totally fascinating all the same.

Crow

 

[mdog]

Hello Kitab geeks thanks for info.

I am still researching into Zerzura is a legendary lost city, often depicted as a hidden oasis in the Sahara Desert, specifically between Egypt and Libya. It's been the subject of numerous tales and expeditions, though its actual existence remains unconfirmed.

Totally fascinating all the same.

Crow

I think I read about this legend when I was in Junior High, back in the early 1960s. I found an old book at the library and there was a story about a lost and abandoned city somewhere in the Sahara Desert. It was found by accident, by a man who found a large treasure of jewels. He found his way back to civilization but was never able to find the city. If I remember right, the book had other treasure legends and was published during the 1920s or 1930s. I've gone back to the library, over the years, but have never been able to find the book.

 

[Crow]

Yeah I hear you mdog. I have done that myself. Too many times !!!!!!!!!!!!!


The legend of Zerzura emerged in the Middle Ages, with Arab writers mentioning a hidden oasis with the name "Zerzura," meaning "Oasis of Little Birds" Zerzura is typically described as a white city, a paradise, and a place of great wealth. Some tales speak of a king and queen sleeping under an enchantment, with a treasure trove of gold and jewels. Numerous expeditions have sought Zerzura, including Almásy, who discovered Wadi Talh and believed it might be one of Zerzura's three valleys. However, the exact location of Zerzura remains elusive.

Theories about Zerzura include it being a real oasis or city that was lost or abandoned, or perhaps a fanciful tale created by travelers or explorers. Some speculate that it could have been settled by non-Muslims or even Europeans, perhaps even Crusaders. Despite the ongoing search, Zerzura remains a captivating mystery, with its fate and true nature shrouded in legend and speculation.

Crow

 

[Crow]

Crow, good stuff.
Here's more to support Irvine as Evonium, Scotland.

Stone of Destiny ‘from Ayrshire, not Perthshire’

IT IS said to be the ancient royal seat of Scotland, a place where kings were crowned and the Stone of Destiny was kept. And now, new evidence has emerged that the lost Scottish city of Evonium, rumoured for centuries to be the Argyll village of Dunstaffnage, may actually have been the less...

www.scotsman.com

Don in SoCal

Great stuff as always. I wonder if the grave of some of several early Scottish kings are nearby?

Perhaps the most eloquent testament to the lives of the early Scottish kings is the island of Iona with its abbey and burial ground, resting place of many Scottish, Irish and Norwegian kings. yet the the discovery and confirmation might open an entire new bits of forgotten history.

Crow

 

[Crow]

Here is an update on the lost city of Rungholt.


Lost city of Rungholt


Crow

 

[M. A. Nazario]

Hello All

Kind of quiet here lately.

For a bit of fun for those hungry enough for fortune and glory finding lost cities. there is still a few to discover It's not as weird as you'd think. There are a number of other important cities that have not been definitively located and excavated,

Turkey:

Several cities are still to be discovered such as Ekallatum in Turkey. (one of the capitals of the kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia), but it not the only one either. Waššukanni (capital of the kingdom of Mitanni), Tarḫuntašša (briefly capital of the Hittite empire), and Kummani (the capital of the kingdom of Kizzuwatna) to say nothing of the literally hundreds of other cities that show up in texts but have not been mapped to locations.

Egypt:

One of Egypt's lost cities is that of Itjtawy (full Egyptian name Amenemhat-itj-tawy — translating to "Amenemhat, Seizer of the Two Lands". It was a royal city that was founded by Pharaoh Amenemhat I who ruled between around 1991 BC and 1962 BC but has remained lost for thousands of years. Built: In The 1900s BC Capital: It Was Egypt's Capital For Over 400 Years Period: Middle Kingdom

It is believed that the city is somewhere in the Faiyum region of Egypt and that its cemeteries were located at Lisht, el-Lahun, and Dahshur. It is thought that Pharaoh Amenemhat I moved the capital there to be better placed to thwart Asiatic incursions into Egypt. It is believed that the massive site was close to where the pyramids of the two kings.

Another of Egypt's known-to-be-lost cities is the lost city of Thinis. It was also the capital of Egypt during the first dynasties of ancient Egypt.

There is little doubt that it existed as it is well attested by ancient writers, including the classical historian Manetho. It is believed that the city went into decline from Dynasty III when the capital was relocated to Memphis (not in Tennessee).Earliest Evidence: 4,000 BC Probable Location: Near Modern Girga Mentioned: In the Book Of The Dead Capital: Thinis Was The Capital of Egypt

By the Roman period thousands of years later it had lost its position as a regional administrative. Thinis persisted for many years as a significant religious center and housed the tomb and mummy of the regional deity. Thinis also played a role as a mythical place in Egypt's famous Book of the Dead. While it remains undiscovered, it is thought to have been located vicinity of ancient Abydos and modern Girga.

Peru and Bolivia, Brazil:

Paititi - it’s allegedly described on petroglyphs in Peru but has never been identified. many have searched for it. documents in Vatican mention it? One of the great unsolved mysteries of south America. Paititi is a legendary lost city, also known as a utopia or rich land, believed to be hidden within the remote Amazon rainforests of South America, specifically east of the Andes. It's a focal point of legend and exploration, with various accounts suggesting its location in Peru, Bolivia, or Brazil. The search for Paititi has captivated explorers for centuries, with some believing it to be a real city abandoned by the Incas, while others see it as a myth.

Spain:

Tartessos in southern Spain, Tartessos was a Bronze Age civilization that flourished in southern Spain, specifically in the Iberian Peninsula, around 3,000 years ago. They were known for their wealth and advanced technology, but the civilization mysteriously vanished around 2,500 years ago. The exact location of Tartessos is debated, but it's generally believed to have been near the Guadalquivir River, possibly in the area of modern-day Andalusia

Usa:

On a lessor scale than a city but still important lost towns in the world is not fully explored as we think these days. In Phillips County, Arkansas, the two earliest American settlements, Utica and Shirley, have completely unknown locations. Both were started in the 1810's on the White River, but we have no idea where they were located, even an approximate location is not known. Utica was platted with a street grid by the same guy who platted the county seat in 1820, it also had a post office and multiple bars and churches, and all of it has been lost to time except for a few marriage certificates and liquor licenses.

Cahokia – Located near present-day St. Louis, Missouri. At its height Cahokia is believed to have had a population of between 40,000 and 80,000 people, making it amongst the largest Pre-Columbian cities of the Americas.

Wales:
Cantre'r Gwaelod was a mythical city situated on a piece of land between Ynys Dewi (Ramsey Island) and Ynys Enlli (Bardsey Island). This area of land is now underwater and is known as Cardigan Bay. The history of Cantre'r Gwaelod is illustrated in a poem in the Black Book of Carmarthen.

England:
Dunwich
Hailed by some as Suffolk's answer to Atlantis, Dunwich was once a thriving medieval port and on a par with London as the capital of the kingdom of East Anglia- with over 3000 residents recorded in 1086.

Scotland:
lost city of Evonium lost for centures. Description: Evonium was described as a coronation site and capital of forty kings.
Location: Initially, it was thought to be in the Lochaber area, but later suggestions placed it at Irvine, Ayrshire, historically known as Erewyn.
Historical Context: The idea of Evonium was first presented by Hector Boece in his Scotorum Historiae. Is there a potential lost city to discover?

Then there is the ancient city of Guidi, as referenced by the Venerable Bede in his 8th-century writings, remains one of Scotland’s most intriguing historical mysteries. Despite its mention in early texts, the precise location and significance of Guidi have been the subject of scholarly debate for centuries. Modern researchers, piecing together linguistic clues, archaeological finds, and historical records, have yet to definitively answer the many questions surrounding this lost city. there is not much known about Guidi, its potential location, and why it continues to captivate historians and archaeologists.
Bede’s Mention of Guidi

The earliest reference to Guidi appears in Bede’s Ecclesiastical History of the English People (Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum), completed in the early 8th century. Bede was a monk and historian whose works are considered some of the most valuable primary sources for early British history. He mentions Guidi briefly, referring to it as a city located near the northern boundary of the Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria, which stretched into what is now modern-day Scotland. This reference has fueled the quest for its discovery, as it suggests that Guidi was of considerable importance during the early medieval period.

Germany Poland:

Jomsborg: A legendary city on the south coast of the Baltic Sea, said to have been submerged in the Middle Ages, Jomsborg is a fascinating example of a lost city from legend. Jomsborg is a semi-legendary Viking stronghold, said to have been located on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea in the medieval Wendland (modern Pomerania), according to Wikipedia and Vikings of Valhalla US. Its inhabitants were known as Jomsvikings, and the fortress is mentioned in Icelandic sagas from the 12th and 13th centuries. While the exact location of Jomsborg is debated, many believe it was situated near the Oder estuary.

Pakistan:

Naga Puram suspected to be located in Pakistan's Sindh province, a city of the Indus Valley civilization. The city was on the banks of the Ghaghara River. However it had not conclusively have been found.

India:

Muciṟi commonly anglicized as Muziris (Ancient Greek: Μουζιρίς, Old Malayalam: Muciṟi or Muciṟipaṭṭaṇam , possibly identical with the medieval Muyiṟikkōṭŭ was an ancient harbour and urban centre on India's Malabar Coast. It was the major ancient port city of the Chera dynasty.

The exact location of the ancient city has been a matter of dispute among historians and archaeologists. Earlier it was believed to be in the region around Mangalore in the state of Karnataka; then later in Kodungallur in the state of Kerala. However, excavations since 2004 at Pattanam, also in Kerala, have led some experts to favour that location.

Austria:
Noreia is an ancient lost city in the Eastern Alps, most likely in southern Austria. While according to Julius Caesar it is known to have been the capital of the Celtic kingdom of Noricum, it was already referred to as a lost city by Pliny the Elder (AD 23 – AD 79). The location of Noreia has not been verified by modern researchers.


Crow

I seem to remember an old post you were connected to discussing some ruins of an ancient city on Malaita in the Solomons as well?

 

[Crow]

I seem to remember an old post you were connected to discussing some ruins of an ancient city on Malaita in the Solomons as well?

Hello Nazario.

Good point! Old Crow had forgotten about Malaita in the jungle of the interior. I had forgotten about that one. the islanders have many legends of lost cities. The story of a "lost city" on Malaita Island in the Solomon Islands is assicated to a traditional story.. According to oral traditions, Teonimenu disappeared several hundred years ago, and a wave, the eighth wave, completely submerged the island, leading to the loss of an unknown number of people,
There is a present a new wave pseudo religious beliefs flooding traditional beliefs on the island. evangelical and other christian sect have spread the idea they are part of lost Tribes of Israel. many spin off minsters and become petty cult leader among the remote population who descended from cannibals and was part of the WW2 Cargo cult. It makes it hard to believe villagers claims. The oldest extant Solomon Islands art forms are petroglyphs found on Guadalcanal, Vella Lavella and South Malaita. Decorative pottery was made on many islands for thousands of years, but now survives mainly on Choiseul Island

While ancient pottery has been found in the Solomon Islands, including areas near Malaita, direct evidence of pottery found specifically on Malaita Island is not readily available in the search results. However, the Lapita culture, known for its distinctive pottery, is well documented in the Solomon Islands and may have influenced areas near Malaita

here is map of dispersal of Lapita pottery as it spread eastwards across the pacific.

in Micronesia to the north of Malaita Nan Madol is often called the Venice of the Pacific because of its unique layout of canals and artificial islands. This ancient city was once the center of power for the Saudeleur dynasty. Its historical importance is immense, as it provides insight into the early civilization of Micronesia. But it is not the only site? see be Nan Madol below.

also in Korsae The ruins of Lelu, found on the island of Kosrae, are a fascinating glimpse into the past. Dating back to the 13th century, these ancient structures were once part of a bustling city. Lelu served as a key political and economic hub in Micronesia, showcasing its historical importance. These ruins are recognized as a UNESCO World Heritage site, highlighting their value to the world. Lelu holds a special place in the hearts of the people of Kosrae. The ruins are not just stones and walls; they represent the island’s rich heritage and are central to local traditions. Preservation efforts are ongoing to ensure that future generations can connect with their history. See Lelu below.

All the site had history connection to their root Laida Culture.known for their pottery.

Malaita in the Solomon Islands is home to a variety of stone structures, including potential fortifications and burial sites. Some claim the ruins at Foo'odo in the north are evidence of early settlements. Additionally, the island has burial sites like the Ria Rockshelter, which was initially mistaken for a resting place but later revealed to be a burial ground

Some claim the stone ruins at Foo'odo in North Malaita are remnants of fortifications, suggesting early settlements. There was no single Malaitan identity, although there is unity in their origins, which appear to be Austronesian migrations from the north between 3,500 and 5,000 years ago. The oldest of the Malaitan descent groups now claim more than twenty-five generations, arrived at by telescoping early generations. The Kwara'ae often claim that their ancestors were the island's original settlers. Some To'aba'ita claim that at Foo'odo in the north there are old ruins of substantial stone fortifications which they assert show their ancestors to have been the first arrivals. Alleged fortifications below.

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Believed to be a myth. There is The claim of a lost Dutch settlement in Australia, often associated with stories of shipwreck survivors settling in Central Australia, is a persistent myth. While there are accounts and theories about such a settlement, especially in Central Australia and near Karikin Lakes in Western Australia, there's no concrete historical evidence to support the claim of a lasting Dutch colony.

The story often involves a group of Dutch shipwreck survivors establishing a settlement in the Australian outback, possibly near Palm Valley in the Northern Territory or in the area near Karikin Lakes. Despite these stories, there are no verifiable records of a Dutch settlement in the 18th or 19th centuries. No archaeological evidence has been found to support the claims, and there are no official Dutch records of such an expedition or settlement. Some theories suggest the story may have originated in early 20th-century books and articles, claiming that Dutch explorers or shipwreck survivors intermarried with Aboriginal people and their descendants continued to live in the region. While it's possible Dutch explorers interacted with Aboriginal communities and may have even interacted with shipwreck survivors, there's no evidence to suggest a permanent settlement was established

Les Hiddens, also known as “The Bush Tucker Man,” is an Australian television personality and former soldier who has conducted extensive research on bush tucker and Aboriginal culture. He has made a number of claims about the existence of a Dutch colony in Central Australia, but these claims have not been substantiated by historical evidence.

In his book “Bush Tucker Man: Stories of Exploration and Survival,” Hiddens recounts a number of stories and legends he has heard from Indigenous people about the presence of European settlers in the region. He suggests that the Dutch may have established a colony in the area in the early 18th century, possibly as a result of shipwrecks or exploratory expeditions.

He came across an 1833 account encountering settlement of 300 Dutchmen and Women in central Australia. who had been survivors of an earlier shipwreck.

Lost Dutch Colony in Australia


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A Dutch journal dated 1850 in Java recalls the story.

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