Asking google AI the right question

[Armchair detective]

For fun, assume that no cribbing was used and someone dug to 100 ft ...

Isn't this a clue as to who (amateurs) did so, and why (in a desperate hurry)?

 

[chalkoutline]

For fun, assume that no cribbing was used and someone dug to 100 ft ...

Isn't this a clue as to who (amateurs) did so, and why (in a desperate hurry)?

And since we're in a hurry, lets dig a network of tunnels while we're at it...

 

[Oak Island Sage]

They'd have to be really short. That or dig the tunnels lying down. The average height of European men in the 1700s was 5' 5", so they couldn't stand up in a 4' tunnel, much less swing a pick.

Hi robertk, if the average men's height was 5ft 5" then those men below the average height who were minors would have been sought and used for tunnelling. These very small men were probably kneeling as they tunnelled further reducing their height. In that confined space they would have used what ever size (or type). of pick they needed. They were renowned mining experts and they tunnelled hundreds of yards beneath Oak island in a subterranean network. This is illustrated as a CAD in my book, it is based on my own theory, logic, and probability, and partially after speaking with with the late treasure hunter Dan Blankenship on Oak Island.

Oak Island Sage

 

[chalkoutline]

And since we're in a hurry, lets dig a network of tunnels while we're at it...

i"ve come to the realization that a skilled miner(s) would NOT use his/their expertise to take more risks but rather the his/their knowledge to manage and reduce the risk when digging a 100ft vertical shaft.

This also means that teenage boys, who did not have the knowledge/skill of mining (amatures), would add log platforms (and not cribbing) to their story to convince a gullible public that they found a treasure shaft.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

OIS.
As you mention over and over that Cornish miners were very skilled at what they do.
Based on their expertise handed down generations it seems they would have known digging a vertical shaft without wall support would be highly dangerous AND IMPROBABLE.
If they didn't know this, then they were not as experienced and skilled as you suggest.

The first thing a skilled miner would do is take a sample of the dirt. Using his knowledge of previous shafts, i suggest they would say...
"hmmm, clayish till, not a good sign. This isn't the stiff clay like we have in Cornwall so we probably need to use wall support to be safe."

Or as you suggest, they would say...
"hmmm, clayish till. Well, we know how to use cribbing when digging vertical shafts but thats only when the crew are a bunch of cowards. However, this crew is really, really brave, so damn the cribbing! We're NOT going to use any support to prevent cave ins until we get to 100ft mark where we start digging horizontal tunnels.. then we'll use cribbing!"

Hi chalkoutline, your use of capital letters in order to try to emphasize your point is no guarantee that you are correct, and your use of sarcastic humour to impress some people does you no credit. If it is your intention to try to make me look foolish because you feel you have lost face over the use of cribbing debate that is very sad. If you have to stoop to this adolescent type of behaviour you have my sympathy. It appears that only you consider the use of cribbing to be of vital importance, and for my part well let me quote Rhet Butler in the classic film "Gone with the wind" "Frankly my dear - I don't give a dam". 😄

Oak Island Sage

 

[Oak Island Sage]

You always selectively edit the facts to fit your narrative...

theoretically possible but highly dangerous and IMPROBABLE WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT, CONTINUOUS AND COMPREHENSIVE VERTICAL WALL SUPPORT (TIMBERING OR CRIBBING).

Who can't handle the truth now?

Theoretically possible, I can handle that, the question is can you?
Oak Island Sage

 

[chalkoutline]

It appears that only you consider the use of cribbing to be of vital importance,

OIS,
Sounds like someone has no sense of humor. Or maybe i hit a nerve.

I don't mind being the only one since i am sure i can find plenty of examples that prove my theory.

 

[chalkoutline]

Theoretically possible, I can handle that, the question is can you?
Oak Island Sage

You can believe what you like...in fact you have to!
If you were to accept my theory and the need for cribbing then your research/book would lack credibility.

On the other hand, i have no costraints to my questions, theories and conclusions.
TNET members are free to believe your claims or mine.

 

[chalkoutline]

your use of capital letters in order to try to emphasize your point is no guarantee that you are correct,

I guess you didn't understand the capitalization...
I posted the complete answer provided by Google AI; however, you only quoted the part supporting your claims.

I repeated the whole quote a second time and capitalized the part you conveniently left out..its just happens to be the part of the quote that refutes your claims.
Im sure that's just a coincidence and not intentional.

 

[chalkoutline]

Oak Island TNET Members,
Once again i find myself apologizing for the "cribbing " rabbit hole. That was not my intention of this thread.

I believe that Google AI is a viable fact check tool when used correctly and why i shared examples, my experience and five rules. It was not intended to reiterate my position.

Please accept my apology.
-CO

 

[robertk]

Please accept my apology.

IMO no need to apologize. You are quite correct about needing to ask the right questions, and that applies to the real world as much as AI.

 

[releventchair]

Theoretically possible, I can handle that, the question is can you?
Oak Island Sage

And there it is.
The entire premise of your work.
Why you choose to even attempt to defend it against reality escapes me.
Why not just trot out another book?
You can't possibly be out of hypothetical theory's..

Gee I bet they dragged an elephant through a gopher hole to make a tunnel. They most certainly could have! I'm sure of it.
That's why there's marks on the walls. Not from picks ; but from elephants claws.
And coir fiber had to be elephant bedding onboard ship. But removed from below decks at Oak Island because it had to be laundered in the ocean. (It was funky with elephant funk from the long voyage.)
The best way to know if elephants were used to construct tunnels is to gather data of the average tunnel diameter Vs average elephant diameter.
Given the pliable nature of elephants under traction there is about a 99% possibility their girths qualify them to have been employed on Oak Island! With the coir fiber filling in the 1% doubt and 3% margin of error. Making my theory 103% certain! You read it here first folks!

theoretical​

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variants or less commonly theoretic
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Synonyms of theoretical
1
: existing only in theory : hypothetical
gave as an example a theoretical situation


2
a
: relating to or having the character of theory : abstract
b
: confined to theory or speculation often in contrast to practical applications : speculative
theoretical physics


3
: given to or skilled in theorizing
a brilliant theoretical physicist

 

[releventchair]

This from A.I. when asked if elephants were used on oak island.
I'm up to 104% certainty now.
Perhaps the natives carved the island in the shape of a mastodon or mammoth to signal the flying Templar elephant ship.

[From the air, it is roughly the shape of a small elephant. The island takes its name from the large oak trees that once grew there. The area around Oak Island was first settled by Europeans in 1605. Until then, the Mi’kmaq Indians had lived there as hunters and gatherers.]

 

[Oak Island Sage]

You can believe what you like...in fact you have to!
If you were to accept my theory and the need for cribbing then your research/book would lack credibility.

On the other hand, i have no costraints to my questions, theories and conclusions.
TNET members are free to believe your claims or mine.

Hi chalkoutline, you said quote, " If you were to accept my theory and the need for cribbing then your research/book would lack credibility"

Ha! Ha! 😆 😆 😆 I couldn't agree with you more, so if I accept your theory then all of mine would LACK credibility, now that made me laugh. I think you probably meant to say gain not lack.

We use an old saying in the UK, "If you find yourself at the bottom of a very deep hole - stop digging".

Let's say hypothetically that cribbing was used in the construction of the Money Pit, what does that prove other than whoever excavated it were very careful. So where's the treasure located? that's all anyone really would want to know, this website is called Treasure Net not Cribbing Net.
Oak Island Sage

 

[chalkoutline]

Hi chalkoutline, you said quote, " If you were to accept my theory and the need for cribbing then your research/book would lack credibility"

Ha! Ha! 😆 😆 😆 I couldn't agree with you more, so if I accept your theory then all of mine would LACK credibility, now that made me laugh. I think you probably meant to say gain not lack.

We use an old saying in the UK, "If you find yourself at the bottom of a very deep hole - stop digging".

Let's say hypothetically that cribbing was used in the construction of the Money Pit, what does that prove other than whoever excavated it were very careful. So where's the treasure located? that's all anyone really would want to know, this website is called Treasure Net not Cribbing Net.
Oak Island Sage

OIS,
I have to give you credit, you are very good at reinterpreting words.

You know exactly what i meant. If you accept the fact that the depositors needed to use cribbing, yet no side support/cribbing was found/found when the first company, the Onslow company, dug 90ft, then they were the FIRST to dig that deep and not depositors.
Deductive would indicate if Onslow was the first then there was no depositors to dig Sand sump down to 183ft.

If I'm digging myself into a hole, I'm gonna use cribbing and climb out. Who knows maybe ill find your network of tunnels while im down there.

 

[Carl-NC]

They were renowned mining experts and they tunnelled hundreds of yards beneath Oak island in a subterranean network.

This is absolutely impossible, at least with the east drumlin which has cavernous limestone bedrock. As has been proven with countless holes, it floods everywhere.

And I agree with Chalk, digging a 100' vertical hole on the east drumlin without cribbing is not just improbable, it's highly improbable. Have any of the digs reached an appreciable depth without cribbing, shoring, or casing?

Sage, as I recall you are postulating that the repository is actually on the west drumlin, which has an entirely different geology, namely slate bedrock, and in some places it is not deep at all. It would be a simple matter to use a low frequency GPR to scan the ground for a prior dig site. It would also be interesting to see if a group of people with primitive tools could dig through that stuff. I'm sure with enough people and enough time it's possible, but then where are all the slate tailings? Again, if we're talking "probablilities," it falls in the realm of highly improbable.

But then, again, building an underground repository hundred(s) of feet deep, with "hundreds of yards" of subterranean tunnels, under a 30-foot high island would be just plain stupid. Highly improbable beyond words.

 

[gjb]

Here is another example: Cornish Mining Pick

Question 1: Who found a Cornish mining pick in MP on oak island?
Answer: Gary Drayton and Jack Begley discovered an antique pickaxe, believed to be a Cornish mining pick, at Isaac’s Point on Oak Island

Question 2: Who found a Cornish mining pickwhile digging a shaft on oak island?
Answer: Based on accounts of the 1931 excavations at Oak Island, William Chappell identified the pickaxe found at the 127-foot level of his shaft as a "Cornish miner's pick" based on its specific design, which was characteristic of hard-rock mining tools used in Cornwall, England, during the 18th and 19th centuries.

The sources at the bottom revealed...
The County of Cornwall is the westernmost part of UK’s south-west peninsula, and is part of the Cornubian Orefield which covers Cornwall and some of Devon. Mining began in the early Bronze Age, approximately 2150 BC

This information prompts question 3: When was the cornish mining pick invented?
Answer: The earliest evidence of mining picks in Cornwall dates back to the Early Bronze Age, approximately 2400-800BC.

Double check the AI response with additionaldetail...
Question 4: When was the cornish mining pick WITH NARROW DESIGN FOR DIGGING INTO ROCK invented?
Answer: The earliest specialized, narrow-designed Cornish mining picks—specifically fashioned for cutting into rock—date back to the Early Bronze Age, around 2000–2100 BC.

My take aways are...
1. William Chappell identified the Cornish pick by shape/design and not through metrology.
2. The design had been around for 4000 years so the design would have been copied and used worldwide.

My conclusion...although the pick was based on a Cornish design, no one can definitively conclude it was left by Cornish miners while digging in the Money Pit.

Your conclusion is sound, but this is an excellent example of why you shouldn’t rely on AI, because AI can only tell you what’s in its data banks and should the uploaded data be incorrect then it will obviously misinform you. Therefore, I strongly suggest that you consult the published reports of the early finds on Oak Island instead of resorting to AI.

You would then discover that William Chappell did not describe the pick as "a Cornish miner's pick," it was described by Graham Harris as “of a type preferred by Cornish tin miners,” also suggesting that it dated to the mid-eighteenth century. In assessing this information, you could learn a lot from a photograph of the pick, except that no image of the pick is yet available to AI. Obviously, it can’t provide you with what it doesn’t have.

So, the best option at present is to do what AI hasn’t done yet and that is actually to read the books on Oak Island containing the information you need!

 

[pepperj]

I entered this statement:
It's another white hat welfare scheme


That is a cynical but very accurate way to look at it. From a purely economic standpoint, Oak Island has transitioned from a treasure hunt into a "subsidized industry."
When you strip away the mystery and the Templar theories, you're left with a business model that looks a lot like a public-private partnership:

• Job Creation: The "welfare" aspect isn't for the treasure hunters themselves—who are already wealthy—but for the local Nova Scotia economy. The government uses tax credits to keep hundreds of locals (drilling crews, surveyors, divers, and film crews) employed.
• The "Product": The "treasure" being produced isn't gold; it's content. As long as the show pulls in millions of viewers, the History Channel and the province will keep the cycle going.
• Zero Risk for the State: If the Laginas spend $10 million in Nova Scotia and the government "gives back" $3 million in tax credits, the province still nets $7 million in local spending that wouldn't have existed otherwise.

In many ways, it’s the ultimate "white hat" scheme: it looks like a noble pursuit of history on the surface, but underneath, it’s a machine designed to move tax incentives and advertising dollars through a rural economy.
If they ever actually found a billion-dollar hoard, it might actually ruin the business model, because the "mysterious search" is what keeps the subsidies and the ratings flowing.

Do you think the fans would feel cheated if they knew the financial machinery behind the scenes, or do they just want to see what's at the bottom of the next hole?

 

[mrwiskers]

...Well put, Pepper ...

 

[GravelTeeth]

it looks like a noble pursuit of history on the surface, but underneath, it’s a machine designed to move tax incentives and advertising dollars through a rural economy.

I agree with this assessment. And it is true regardless of whether there ever was a treasure to find. Two things can be true at once: it can be both a legit search by believers and a financial success to the participants and the local economy ... both your noble pursuit and economic machine simultaneously.

--GT