Bullet and Brass ID please

[Randy769]

Please help me ID these two bullets...they were both found within feet of eachother. The Brass was found around the same area....Thanks for the help

 

[Randy769]

PLease take the extra time and look at this....

 

[pistol-pete]

If you could clean up the head of the ctg. case and give diameter in .001 inch maybe we could ID it

 

[duggap]

Your cartridge case looks to be a Spencer hull. Your bullet looks to be modern.

 

[Tedyoh]

I found a complete / intact brass similar to yours a while back, with the same O.D. at the rim base - With the "+" symbol (meaning Swiss made cartridge) in the center of your brass and the O.D. @ the base of the rim being close to .622 I will guess it's a .41 Swiss.

 

[Helix]

Lead looks older to me especially last two pics.